TOPIC: Any help?

So ive got to write a speech for my english verbal exam against modern feminism any statistics or facts?

Fact 1: Modern feminism is not about equality between men and women, let's get that straight.

Fact 2: The gender wage gap does NOT exist, rather men just tend to do higher hour and higher paid jobs.

Narexa wrote: That "fact" is false - there are most definitely women that live in first-world countries that get paid less for literally the same job.

The best help I can give you is that you should make the speech "about" modern day feminism, not against it. If you're going to tackle the subject from the opinion that it is terrible then you wil most likely fail, depending on what kind of an exam it is.

Narexa wrote: Thanks for spreading misinformation, that's amazing.
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Now, I don't know why you (have to) be against "modern feminism", but here are some hard statistics regarding the subject:
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111...50-0804.2005.00256.x
ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explain...r_pay_gap_statistics
This is regarding feminism in general, I cannot comprehend what the term "modern feminism" means:
docs.google.com/document/d/1DBbL9SuO5yju...Sow/edit?usp=sharing

Raeker wrote:
The exam is based completely on out opinions, so i think i should be fine on that front, But i will take your advice into consideration

Raeker wrote:
Alright let me rephrase, I do not believe in any way shape or form that the wage gap exists purely because of gender, I thought that went without saying as we're speaking about feminism and that's a big thing that feminists say. I think there are many factors that go into men and women being paid differently, one being men tend to work for longer hours than women.

dankek wrote:
Pretty sure he used the term "modern feminism" before I did, modern feminism is a term to describe feminism currently, how is that so hard to comprehend? feminism has drastically changed. This is a term that is used frequently so I truly don't understand how you can't comprehend such a simple term.

Narexa wrote: That's pretty wrong actually, I recommend reading these to reach a concrete statistically-proof conclusion:
ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explain...r_pay_gap_statistics
ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explain...nificantly_across_EU
ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/3888793/...79-b009-ea1604770676
www.telegraph.co.uk/women/business/6-myt...omebacks-need-shoot/Narexa wrote: The stuff below the line was referring to the post actually, I'm sorry if that caused confusion. But , since you responded anyways, could you tell me how feminism has dramatically changed without showing me extreme radicals and anecdotal evidence?

dankek wrote:
How the fuck is a telegraph post "evidence"

Narexa wrote: Did you honestly miss the other citations? Telegraph is also somewhat right-wing leaning, and also it's not a "post" it's an article, real life companies and news sites do not shitpost , unless it's some dumbass tabloid.

dankek wrote:
My bad, I meant article. I just don't see that as evidence.

Also I'd like to sum up that I'm not saying women aren't treated differently, sure they are. Sure they're exploited in the work place as well and that's terrible. I just do not believe and I have reason not to believe that the wage gap is based on gender, I do not believe that women get paid less because of their gender. I'm not willing to pull up articles as I really can't be arsed as I'm not trying to have a debate on a garry's mod forums. I used "fact" in my first post as a joke, I think women will always be treated differently by some men but it's not like that doesn't happen to men also.

Let's take some real life situations for example, if a women beats a man nobody really cares. Sure some people do, but not as much as if a woman is beat by a man, that goes for sexual assault too. Why don't most feminists cover this? If they truly want equality why wouldn't they cover both sides of the story, and I'm sure that some feminists do I'm just talking about the majority.

Narexa wrote: Oh wait, I never disagreed, neither feminism disagrees; there are definitely double standards for both genders and they both face discrimination in other aspects, and other cultures discriminate genders differently; But the thing isn't about double standards, it's about feminism, and in fact there's no evidence that indicates feminists "do not give a shit" about men or whatever, likewise I'd defend the opposite position fo that, that's not what """""modern feminism""""" is, it's just a dumb term made by dumb right wingers that have seen too many "feminist gets rekt xddd reeeeeee" where radical feminists are featured. You simply can't make assumptions for a whole movement based on the actions of a very small minority.

dankek wrote: I completely understand what you mean, and I have no problem with feminists that truly do care about equality for men and women. I just do not feel like feminism is that, from my experiences with feminists they don't really seem to come across that they're looking for that, rather just want sympathy. I obviously don't have evidence for this as this is my personal experience.

I like to believe I'm open minded and I actually appreciate you testing what I'm saying. I know I'm not right with everything I say, but I just say it from the way I see (:

Narexa wrote: I appreciate civilised conversation pal, thank you for sharing your concerns aswell. I don't know your experience or where you found these people and talked to em, but I suppose it would be in some really dumb communities

Just put feminism is a fucking joke, then do it again, then once more.

That should drill it into your teachers skull.

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Wtf they whine about women rights, when there is a fire or some shit in a building, women are rescued first.