Raeker wrote:
This contains Nazi rhetoric, who infamously took disabled children from German families and rid them from their society in one manner or another. I understand that you never mention that you agree with such tactics, but the idea that people with disabilities are immediately less equal than those without disabilities is wrong on multiple levels.
I'm gonna just ignore this part because I don't really understand it's relevance I assume it was just used as an example of ableism.
Raeker wrote:
People with autism, for example, have social inabilities. They do however have a higher IQ than the average person and excel in areas of logical thinking. Because people appreciate their social networks, calling someone 'autistic' is classed as an insult, because it means that those people do not have the same social capacities as "normal people". I'd argue that is almost strange - why would you insult someone for being socially inadequate even though they can do really great things in so many other areas?
While it is true that
some people with autism have higher IQs than the average person, autism is a disability with a wide spectrum of characteristics which differ between individuals and the majority of those with autism have average or below average IQs depending on the value you decide to use, likewise not all people with autism are so socially inadequate as once again it varies, for example one of my close friends has fairly severe autism and while I don't see him as below me, I do see him as less able than me, he also describes himself as being born inferior although his hard work and determination (+ his naturally high IQ) have allowed him to excel and not only achieve what a "normal" person can achieve but go beyond as he is now attending one of the top maths schools in the UK having completed his Maths A-Level with an A* at only 15 years old which is extremely impressive. The reason I am using him as an example is he himself has accepted the fact that the majority of autistic people are born inferior to people without disabilities including himself. IQ alone does not determine intelligence and many would argue (including myself) that social intelligence is far superior to IQ. So no I wouldn't say its strange at all, if someone is born naturally inferior than you in a certain way then you will see them in that way. What is strange however is being completely ignorant and disregarding any form of achievement from the individual purely due to their disability. Autism is also however only 1 example, there are many other disabilities such as Down Syndrome etc. which have devastating effects and there is no arguing that someone with Down Syndrome can be superior to someone without it.
Raeker wrote:
However this is not necessarily a debate on the social appreciation of certain discrimatory words. This is all about the use of discrimination within the community and specifically about where we draw the line between discriminative words and regular jokes.
I have called myself, and others within the community, retarded on multiple occassions. It was only last week when I asked "Skeleton, are you retarded?" on the Teamspeak. Chute uses it on many occasions as well. Although the word is disrimatory, should we really be banning for it? I think that is a more useful debate to have than the question whether or not it is discrimination in the first place.
To be completely honest the lines that the staff members on ZARP draw seem to be changing by the week and even then they change between individuals so that's something you guys need to deal with in my opinion.
I did quite enjoy reading your arguments as they are for once actual coherent ones although I do feel like you glossed over many of my points and provided little to no counter to them.