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[TTT warn Appeal] iScarecrow 6 years 7 months ago #877079

Name - What is your in-game name?
iScarecrow

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STEAM_0:0:202617221

Staff Members Name - Who warned you?
No Staff but TTT Blacklist

Punishment Reason - What was the reason of the warning(s)?
Saying blacklisted word

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Story/Situation - What happened?
So.... One guy writed in TTT Chat Fun Fact: Hitler did nothing wrong.... and Im fron Germany so I saw this as insult and that a admin maybe will see it I writed "nazi" and got warned
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steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1344986993
their you will see that I said this word that maybe a Admin see it
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[TTT warn Appeal] iScarecrow 6 years 7 months ago #877099

Funny how "Nazi" is blackliste but Hitler isn't... like, what's the point - you're not allowed to mention a fascist party but you are allowed to mention its leader?
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[TTT warn Appeal] iScarecrow 6 years 7 months ago #877106

I'm sorry but why the fuck is "nazi" even blacklisted? Its the name of a political party, i don't like UKIP but i don't punish people for saying it. Its not offensive on its own in any way, sure if i called someone a nazi it would be disrespectful, but just saying it on its own is not harmful at all.
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[TTT warn Appeal] iScarecrow 6 years 7 months ago #877113

If someone should be punished is the one who said hitler did nothing wrong. Don’t think that nazi should be punishable.
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[TTT warn Appeal] iScarecrow 6 years 7 months ago #877119

Thanks for feedback, it was the first time that I saw that TTT has a blacklist and only 4 words are blacklisted anyways, I am sorry for that and maybe don’t blacklist „Nazi“ but „Hitler“ bcs most guys from Germany don’t like what he done!?
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[TTT warn Appeal] iScarecrow 6 years 7 months ago #877128

Wtf TTT had a blacklist???????? Racism.
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[TTT warn Appeal] iScarecrow 6 years 7 months ago #877173

well i kinda did this, was warning someone for a racist name via pm, then he wasn't answering so I just typed his name in chat to give him a final warning before kick and warn but then I got censored
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[TTT warn Appeal] iScarecrow 6 years 7 months ago #877192

I noticed this a little bit ago, it seems like we've been given a censor to prevent against racism, and apparently that applies to other things such as the word, Nazi.

This could probably be brought up and changed.

In any case, I'd probably suggest that this be removed.
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[TTT warn Appeal] iScarecrow 6 years 7 months ago #877294

I don't think it was necessary to say 'nazi', but the warn was not needed too.
Btw I think it's good the word is blacklisted, because they are responsible for the death of millions.
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[TTT warn Appeal] iScarecrow 6 years 7 months ago #877305

Leopatra wrote:
I don't think it was necessary to say 'nazi', but the warn was not needed too.
Btw I think it's good the word is blacklisted, because they are responsible for the death of millions.

I don't see the benefit of banning the word "Nazi" at all. I'm aware of some of the other words that have been blacklisted, but out of all of them, this is probably the only one that makes no sense because this would be one of those that requires some context behind it, before putting your foot down.
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[TTT warn Appeal] iScarecrow 6 years 7 months ago #877323

So anyone want remove/first handle it? :)
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[TTT warn Appeal] iScarecrow 6 years 7 months ago #877330

This is something that needs to be left up for HA and above to handle, as this is a newer system that hasn't been explained to the rest of us. I would be patient and not really worry about this as a real warning, it most certainly shouldn't be viewed as such.
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[TTT warn Appeal] iScarecrow 6 years 7 months ago #877335

Bezzy wrote:
This is something that needs to be left up for HA and above to handle, as this is a newer system that hasn't been explained to the rest of us. I would be patient and not really worry about this as a real warning, it most certainly shouldn't be viewed as such.
Okay, thanks for your answer I will be patient!
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[TTT warn Appeal] iScarecrow 6 years 7 months ago #877338

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I don't think it was necessary to say 'nazi', but the warn was not needed too.
Btw I think it's good the word is blacklisted, because they are responsible for the death of millions.

So we should blacklist: Communism, China, Soviet Union, Stalin, Mao, Japan, Italy, Spain, Africa, India, France, Western Europe, both of the Koreas, Mexico, North America, Iran & Iraq

I could probably extend this list but my point is already proven. If you think Hitler was the worst you are either ignoring what Stalin and Mao for example did or you are saying that certain lives matter more than others. And no one should ever try to censor our history since "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." (George Santayana)

Even though I agree Zarp is not right place to discuss these things they shouldnt be blacklisted

And Scarecrow I will talk to HA and possibly a CM if needed so you will get your result
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[TTT warn Appeal] iScarecrow 6 years 7 months ago #877342

LonelyDodo wrote:
Leopatra wrote:
I don't think it was necessary to say 'nazi', but the warn was not needed too.
Btw I think it's good the word is blacklisted, because they are responsible for the death of millions.

So we should blacklist: Communism, China, Soviet Union, Stalin, Mao, Japan, Italy, Spain, Africa, India, France, Western Europe, both of the Koreas, Mexico, North America, Iran & Iraq

I could probably extend this list but my point is already proven. If you think Hitler was the worst you are either ignoring what Stalin and Mao for example did or you are saying that certain lives matter more than others. And no one should ever try to censor our history since "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." (George Santayana)

Even though I agree Zarp is not right place to discuss these things they shouldnt be blacklisted

And Scarecrow I will talk to HA and possibly a CM if needed so you will get your result
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[TTT warn Appeal] iScarecrow 6 years 7 months ago #877451

LonelyDodo wrote:
Leopatra wrote:
I don't think it was necessary to say 'nazi', but the warn was not needed too.
Btw I think it's good the word is blacklisted, because they are responsible for the death of millions.

So we should blacklist: Communism, China, Soviet Union, Stalin, Mao, Japan, Italy, Spain, Africa, India, France, Western Europe, both of the Koreas, Mexico, North America, Iran & Iraq

I could probably extend this list but my point is already proven. If you think Hitler was the worst you are either ignoring what Stalin and Mao for example did or you are saying that certain lives matter more than others. And no one should ever try to censor our history since "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." (George Santayana)

Even though I agree Zarp is not right place to discuss these things they shouldnt be blacklisted

And Scarecrow I will talk to HA and possibly a CM if needed so you will get your result
This is false. Just because someone says "Hitler is the worst" that does not mean that they don't acknowledge the death of millions at the hands of other dictators either. I agree with almost everything you've said there, Dodo, but the argument of "You need to list every dictator or you're endorsing the death of millions" is extremely flawed. Objectively speaking, Hitler was the worst. We ahouldn't judge monsters at the amount of people they've killed, but with their actions. Neither Stalin nor Mao started a mass genocide of an extremely large portion of their country's population for the sole reason that those people simply existed.

Like I said, I agree with your general message, but whenever people bring up the "Oh but what about Mao" argument I can't take it seriously anymore. Death count is not a measure for how much of a monster people are.
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[TTT warn Appeal] iScarecrow 6 years 7 months ago #877457

Raeker wrote:
LonelyDodo wrote:
Leopatra wrote:
I don't think it was necessary to say 'nazi', but the warn was not needed too.
Btw I think it's good the word is blacklisted, because they are responsible for the death of millions.

So we should blacklist: Communism, China, Soviet Union, Stalin, Mao, Japan, Italy, Spain, Africa, India, France, Western Europe, both of the Koreas, Mexico, North America, Iran & Iraq

I could probably extend this list but my point is already proven. If you think Hitler was the worst you are either ignoring what Stalin and Mao for example did or you are saying that certain lives matter more than others. And no one should ever try to censor our history since "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." (George Santayana)

Even though I agree Zarp is not right place to discuss these things they shouldnt be blacklisted

And Scarecrow I will talk to HA and possibly a CM if needed so you will get your result
This is false. Just because someone says "Hitler is the worst" that does not mean that they don't acknowledge the death of millions at the hands of other dictators either. I agree with almost everything you've said there, Dodo, but the argument of "You need to list every dictator or you're endorsing the death of millions" is extremely flawed. Objectively speaking, Hitler was the worst. We ahouldn't judge monsters at the amount of people they've killed, but with their actions. Neither Stalin nor Mao started a mass genocide of an extremely large portion of their country's population for the sole reason that those people simply existed.

Like I said, I agree with your general message, but whenever people bring up the "Oh but what about Mao" argument I can't take it seriously anymore. Death count is not a measure for how much of a monster people are.

Yeah you are indeed right, but I was only looking from the numbers perspective due to that being the only reason to blacklist a word according to the comment I replied to. If we were to think about ethics the discussion would have been completely diffrent
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[TTT warn Appeal] iScarecrow 6 years 7 months ago #877471

Raeker wrote:
LonelyDodo wrote:
Leopatra wrote:
I don't think it was necessary to say 'nazi', but the warn was not needed too.
Btw I think it's good the word is blacklisted, because they are responsible for the death of millions.

So we should blacklist: Communism, China, Soviet Union, Stalin, Mao, Japan, Italy, Spain, Africa, India, France, Western Europe, both of the Koreas, Mexico, North America, Iran & Iraq

I could probably extend this list but my point is already proven. If you think Hitler was the worst you are either ignoring what Stalin and Mao for example did or you are saying that certain lives matter more than others. And no one should ever try to censor our history since "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." (George Santayana)

Even though I agree Zarp is not right place to discuss these things they shouldnt be blacklisted

And Scarecrow I will talk to HA and possibly a CM if needed so you will get your result
This is false. Just because someone says "Hitler is the worst" that does not mean that they don't acknowledge the death of millions at the hands of other dictators either. I agree with almost everything you've said there, Dodo, but the argument of "You need to list every dictator or you're endorsing the death of millions" is extremely flawed. Objectively speaking, Hitler was the worst. We ahouldn't judge monsters at the amount of people they've killed, but with their actions. Neither Stalin nor Mao started a mass genocide of an extremely large portion of their country's population for the sole reason that those people simply existed.

Like I said, I agree with your general message, but whenever people bring up the "Oh but what about Mao" argument I can't take it seriously anymore. Death count is not a measure for how much of a monster people are.
You‘re right
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[TTT warn Appeal] iScarecrow 6 years 7 months ago #877567

Hey iScarecrow I have reviewed this case and like many others I have come to conclusion that the context you used the word in was completely fine and not malicious in any manner because of this I see no reason why the case shouldnt be
#Accepted
I will get a Head Admin remove your punishment asap

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