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Smoke grenades 6 years 1 month ago #856357

Should it be KOSable to throw a smoke grenade in a public area? Was thinking about this after seeing a reply to a mod app and wanted some opinions. Personally i believe it should be allowed for the following reasons:

1.The only mention of smokes in the rules is that it is unacceptable to KOS someone for throwing them away from other players, thus implying that if it is throw towards a player then it is acceptable

2.I would argue that it is a traitorous act, i will go into more detail in an example below but surely if you throw a smoke at someone your intent is to "scare" them.

3.It slows down the game, if someone is throwing grenades off the tower i have to wait until they go off as they could be smokes.

Example scenario: A large group of players are gathered in the traitor tester as the detective is testing them. Player X, an innocent throws a smoke grenade inside the large crowd of people. Player Y, a traitor uses the moment of confusion caused by the smoke to start a gunfight in the tester and kills everyone.

Should we say that Player X had nothing to do with that and was not at any fault? If the act of throwing the smoke grenade gave the traitor an advantage surely it can be seen as a traitorous act.
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Smoke grenades 6 years 1 month ago #856360

Oh ffs smoke grenades are now traitorous act? End my suffering.
Everyone has access to smoke grenades and it would be stupid to kill someone for throwing them. Sg does no harm whatsoever, idk why it would be kosable.
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Smoke grenades 6 years 1 month ago #856364

I dont think smoke grenades should be a valid kos reason.
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Smoke grenades 6 years 1 month ago #856372

users get slain for RNT way too much even now lets not complicate their life
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Smoke grenades 6 years 1 month ago #856375

LonelyDodo wrote:
users get slain for RNT way too much even now lets not complicate their life
I never said I want people to be slain for throwing smokes, because I really don't want that. What I'm saying is in that example scenario and things like it I find it hard to tell users "yeah you rdmed cus it was just a smoke" as it had an impact on the game that heavily favoured the traitors.
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Smoke grenades 6 years 1 month ago #856383

Is this miia finds problems with the rules and debates it, what is next on your list?
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Smoke grenades 6 years 1 month ago #856388

Drconor wrote:
Is this miia finds problems with the rules and debates it, what is next on your list?
Hiding golden block only being KOS if its unreachable
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Smoke grenades 6 years 1 month ago #856395

Miia wrote:
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Is this miia finds problems with the rules and debates it, what is next on your list?
Hiding golden block only being KOS if its unreachable

Yeah thats weird as fuck and theres no rule regarding Diamond Ores just a rule regarding the diamond block
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Smoke grenades 6 years 1 month ago #856396

Miia wrote:
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Is this miia finds problems with the rules and debates it, what is next on your list?
Hiding golden block only being KOS if its unreachable

I hide the gold block all the time, and I personally think it should always be kosable. It is very traitorous to hide something that is a method for the innocents to advance in the game, even if it can be found again. So I agree with that.
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Yeah thats weird as fuck and theres no rule regarding Diamond Ores just a rule regarding the diamond block

The rule regarding the diamond blocks is under valid kos reasons. I mean I guess it does say "diamond blocks" and not "diamond ore blocks" but at that point, it is just common sense. That is just nitpicky.
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Smoke grenades 6 years 1 month ago #856408

While I can see the impact throwing a smoke grenade especially at a crowd of players, I see no real problem with it being completely acceptable as a non KOSable reason.

It could very well be considered a means of drawing attention, but there are several other things that could also fall underneath that such as someone pushing you with their crowbar from in front of you, thus drawing your attention towards them and moments later being gunned down by a traitor. It might be suspicious, but in no way shape or form should it actually be considered a traitorous act when most people do it just out of having fun.
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Smoke grenades 6 years 1 month ago #856514

brenzor9137 wrote:
Miia wrote:
Drconor wrote:
Is this miia finds problems with the rules and debates it, what is next on your list?
Hiding golden block only being KOS if its unreachable

I hide the gold block all the time, and I personally think it should always be kosable. It is very traitorous to hide something that is a method for the innocents to advance in the game, even if it can be found again. So I agree with that.
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Yeah thats weird as fuck and theres no rule regarding Diamond Ores just a rule regarding the diamond block

The rule regarding the diamond blocks is under valid kos reasons. I mean I guess it does say "diamond blocks" and not "diamond ore blocks" but at that point, it is just common sense. That is just nitpicky.

Agreed but we have actually had someone who made this argument and since its technically correct I had to almost punish a user for it. Since he was baiting them to kill him so he could report them. Anyway agreed its just nitpicking
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Smoke grenades 6 years 1 month ago #856616

There are a lot of rules and situations someone could get into like this one that I suggest they get clarified but everytime it's the same response "they don't need clarification they are fine as they are now" but that is clearly not true by the amount of times a topic has been created because of this.
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Smoke grenades 6 years 1 month ago #856690

Miia wrote:
Drconor wrote:
Is this miia finds problems with the rules and debates it, what is next on your list?
Hiding golden block only being KOS if its unreachable
not really 1 can hide it as well which is kosable as it is delaying it from being found
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Smoke grenades 6 years 1 month ago #856693

well when you throw a smoke you can see its a smoke because of the skin
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Smoke grenades 6 years 1 month ago #856696

Seargent44 wrote:
well when you throw a smoke you can see its a smoke because of the skin
Only the discombobulator has different skin, the incendiary and smoke grenades are the same skin (or at least very similar and not easily noticeable when it's been thrown
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Smoke grenades 6 years 1 month ago #856731

Nick0GR wrote:
Seargent44 wrote:
well when you throw a smoke you can see its a smoke because of the skin
Only the discombobulator has different skin, the incendiary and smoke grenades are the same skin (or at least very similar and not easily noticeable when it's been thrown

The incendiary has a orange band near the top and bottom and smoke is grey.
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Smoke grenades 6 years 1 month ago #856732

Drconor wrote:
Nick0GR wrote:
Seargent44 wrote:
well when you throw a smoke you can see its a smoke because of the skin
Only the discombobulator has different skin, the incendiary and smoke grenades are the same skin (or at least very similar and not easily noticeable when it's been thrown

The incendiary has a orange band near the top and bottom and smoke is grey.

The difference is so small that from a distance they are hard to tell apart. Which is why i said that if someone is throwing grenades from the tower i have to wait until they explode as they could be smokes.
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Smoke grenades 6 years 1 month ago #856733

Drconor wrote:
Nick0GR wrote:
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well when you throw a smoke you can see its a smoke because of the skin
Only the discombobulator has different skin, the incendiary and smoke grenades are the same skin (or at least very similar and not easily noticeable when it's been thrown

The incendiary has an orange band near the top and bottom and smoke is grey.
Yeah because you can certainly see a small band near the top and bottom of a grenade that is thrown and even trying to see makes you lose time and might get something blows up in your face
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Smoke grenades 6 years 1 month ago #856734

Miia wrote:
Drconor wrote:
Nick0GR wrote:
Seargent44 wrote:
well when you throw a smoke you can see its a smoke because of the skin
Only the discombobulator has different skin, the incendiary and smoke grenades are the same skin (or at least very similar and not easily noticeable when it's been thrown

The incendiary has a orange band near the top and bottom and smoke is grey.

The difference is so small that from a distance they are hard to tell apart. Which is why i said that if someone is throwing grenades from the tower i have to wait until they explode as they could be smokes.

thats what I do normally
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Smoke grenades 6 years 1 month ago #856751

In my oppinion it should not be KOS able to throw a smoke grenade since it does not really harm/kill anyone.The same goes with flashbangs of course.
And if it would be KOS able I allready would be banned.
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