TOPIC: [TTT] Using Common Sense ~ Is it RDM?

If i use common sense to figure out who's a traitor, and kill them. Is it RDM?

Common Sense Scenario:

1. I check who's in the nether. Every corner and place possible, so i know for sure all the player inside nether.
2. I Camp the nether portal and see if anyone else goes in or comes out.
3. Someone that originally WASN'T in the nether, comes out.
4. I Check The following things to make sure he has used the traitor room portal or a teleporter.

*Was he already in game? People can join mid game and spawn in nether.
*The player is not a detective
*Has the player called out a teleporter?

If the player hasn't called out a teleporter and was already in the game, but came out of the nether although he wasn't originally there, that means that the player is 100% traitor or has a teleporter. By Far this has always worked and i've never been incorrect.

Is this rdm? As i can for 100% know that the person must've used the traitor room portal or a teleporter. Which i can both kill for unless the player has called out a teleporter.

Another Example could be:

There's a room with only 1 entrance. 2 Players go in the room. You hear gun shots and a death scream from the room. Now you can use common sense to figure out that the other player killed the other. Now 1 player comes out and you shoot the player. This shouldn't be RDM as you can figure out that the other killed the other and didn't id the body. +

Any opinions? Should these be RDM or not? Why? Mainly the first example seeing as i've used it.

Moved to the Trouble in Terrorist Town section!

1) someone could use Teleporter
2) someone could use Teleporter
3) someone could use Teleporter
4) how can you check someone using a teleporter or traitor room.

Jax wrote:
It's one example not multiple. Using a Teleporter means the player has a teleporter and you can kill for it.

Basically TTT does not use common sense much as rules are there to enforce the server to make it fair and anyone can say they heard shots or anything and that would loophole the RDM rule massively and then everyone could say the excuse i heard shots or whatever and i have handled a lot of reports where people say that and kill the wrong guy so yea.

Jax wrote:
Yet i haven't managed to kill a single innocent. Those are not the Scenarios i'm asking about here and just because you hear shots doesn't mean you can for sure know where they came from and who shot them. That's just kill on suspicion.

If there is no one in the nether and then someone who did not enter the portal comes out as long as they didn't call out they had a teleporter or are a fresh spawn then yes you can kos (as they could have only entered by the t room or an unannounced traitor item). However i would advise you to not do this as you could have left the nether at the same time someone else entered and missed each other, unlikely but it could happen and then you would have killed an innocent for no reason.

Miia wrote:
Ye it's very unlikely. I tend to check twice so no misunderstandings occur.

People can also spawn in half way through the round, and unluckily end up in the nether

brenzor9137 wrote:
"*Was he already in game? People can join mid game and spawn in nether."

This is a valid. I believe u go by the name Iris or idk xd. I encountered this and this should be valid, u can catch traitors this way. If they check nether clean and no one was there and if an user comes out of nether, when they must be a t, that used traitor room or a teleporter. Teleporter is kinda considered T weap, as only traitors and detectives can get it or an inno can pick it up from dead T/D. If inno picked teleporter then they should announce it. If player spawned mid-round, u could just check if they did using tab or questioning them.


Lmao, i hope someone understands this.

Jax wrote: Common sense is often a good strategy for innocent TTT player. For example, say someone claims to have killed a T over microphone and because they use stereo boxes you can hear them gain XP or even better yet, they level up. Then it turns out that the user they killed is actually an innocent. In this scenario you can use common sense as well as the in-game features to determine that the user is, in this case, a Traitor.

In this scenario you're making enough logical choices that would help you determine that this user is a Traitor. In case a Teleporter is used, the player should have announced it in the chat. Have they not done so then you can obviously kill them (assuming that the other steps listed by MythMe have also been followed).

Of course in case a report is made the staff member shoule open a chat to determine whether or not these steps have been followed. If the user responds with "They came out of the nether but never entered, they clearly used the T room's portal" the staff member should try to acquire more information. I'd advice questions such as 'Did you know that users can spawn in the nether if they join mid-round' or 'How did you determine that this user was in fact a Traitor'. Obviously if the user they killed is innocent then they did not follow these steps. Open a chat and inform them of what they've done wrong so that the user is aware (rather than punish straight up. I've always disliked such an attitude of staff in these kinds of situations).

Basically, it is allowed if you do what you say you've done. Staff members claiming otherwise should familiarise themselves with the game's mechanics better.

Miia wrote:
Teleporter is also a Detective item and I do not see anyone calling out when they receive DNA scanner etc so I wouldn't count it in items you should call out

oh and btw for 2nd example there could be a radio near the room which would be used so no it doesn't apply

LonelyDodo wrote:
People don't announce having a DNA scanner as only detectives have them, with a teleporter a traitor can also buy one making it a traitor item, so like all other traitor items if you pick one up you need to announce it

I see this as killing on sus, as some players could have spawned there or been brought by a staff there by staff, there are many reasons for someone to be brought to the nether and i think it's at most a high sus on the player

Kyber wrote: He said he would have checked if they had just spawned. As for being brought by staff why would a staff member bring someone to the nether? You should not be moving people across long distances as it could give them an unfair advantage, and even if you do bring someone to the nether they can still check if they the player was moved there.

LonelyDodo wrote:
Good point. 2nd one is suspicion

Kyber wrote: If staff teleport users from the overworld into the nether then the staff member is at fault, not the user.

Miia wrote:
cough cough

Yes but if a player is stuck somewhere like in the nether portal, I've seen situations where staff have used the bring command to move the players a very far distance and i don't really see this as an exception for that