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My Opinion on some stuff about the Hacking Policy 6 years 2 months ago #825541

The things i say in this post are to be debated. Feel free to leave your opinion.

DONT MOVE THIS TO THE DRAMA HOLE.



So... after taking a look at this post made by one of our most mature staff in my opinion and checking the replies, i had to state my own opinion cause lately many people resign and in general leave the Community because of some stuff i even believe are not fair.


First thing i want to talk about, is the hacking policy.

Back before i resigned, if a hacker was caught and a video of him was being reviewed in the Lead Team Meeting, the hacker would get banned. In my opinion there's no point in kicking a hacker when he is not on the server. Last meeting we had to vote on a hacker. The admin reported a video of him to me, i brought it up and apparently the guy got a "kick",
It's like me joining SSRP, hacking, killing everyone but there are no SA/HAs on. Then i decide to not join the server any time soon again so i leave. Then i just get a kick and I can join after let's say 2 months and hack again and THEN get banned. Trust me, if there's a new guy joining our Community's server for the first time, he is not going to feel sad if he gets kicked. He will just join again. In some situations our policy is a bit... weird. I mean, why would we kick hackers? In my opinion we should just ASK them if they are hacking. If they say "Yes i am", then ask them to remove it. If they keep hacking then ban them. Or if they lie to us, then we can ban them. Just like the old times. I don't see why this has been changed and i request someone higher up to explain this to me.
If we have enough proof to see that someone is hacking and ban him, the person can also APPEAL the ban whenever he wants! If he really CARES for our server and really wants to play on it, he would APPEAL! If he didn't give a shit about the server, he would just join and hack again. It's common sense!
As for the admins and them not being able to ban is something i mostly agree on. They don't have an Anticheat system and they can not be 100% sure if someone is hacking. (although the past 5 hackers we have seen use cheats which counter the anti cheat system and we have to vote on them on the meetings). I would be pissed aswell if i see a hacker and I am so sure he is hacking, but i say to myself: "Okay, i will just follow the policy and send it to a Higher Up", Then at the meeting the guy gets KICKED?! I would be mad with our policies aswell.

Also, CMs, if you make a change in the policy, then please change the Template on the Applications aswell. Cause admins are mad at this.
Explain how you would handle the following situation:
Player x appeals their ban in great detail, apology and effort. You check the ban list and find that you banned them permanently for Cheating, and that this is their first ban. How would your response to the appeal be?


Now, i don't want to break any NDA. But through this post i would like to kindly request the Meeting Hosts to give us a bit more time when we bring up people for demotion or if we have any objections. I understand that you guys want to finish the meeting fast and do the other meetings aswell, but the job is not being done correctly if every single week we get through meetings like that. I don't suggest that the meetings should last 1 hour. But just a few more minutes wouldn't be the end of the world in my opinion. Some times i just feel like Hosts don't care about the server but just to get the Meeting over with...

I would like to hear other peoples' opinions aswell on this and if i don't understand anything then any higher up can feel free to contact me.

I made this post for GOOD and to Improve some things but also so maybe all these staff that resign finally understand the reason behind these policies and how the people thought when they were voting on them. Not to cause drama.
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My Opinion on the current TTT Situation. 6 years 2 months ago #825547

I personally think that, on the first offense, they should be punished for hacking + mass RDM or whatever, and make it like a 2 week-1 month ban, if we were to follow hacking policy etc.

but honestly I think the hacking policy needs a general revisit to make it harsher
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My Opinion on the current TTT Situation. 6 years 2 months ago #825555

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I personally think that, on the first offense, they should be punished for hacking + mass RDM or whatever, and make it like a 2 week-1 month ban, if we were to follow hacking policy etc.

but honestly I think the hacking policy needs a general revisit to make it harsher

I have to agree if a hacker joins and gets kicked its like big deal to them but if they get banned it will stop them from causing problems on the server.
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My Opinion on the current TTT Situation. 6 years 2 months ago #825561

Drconor wrote:
sorle wrote:
I personally think that, on the first offense, they should be punished for hacking + mass RDM or whatever, and make it like a 2 week-1 month ban, if we were to follow hacking policy etc.

but honestly I think the hacking policy needs a general revisit to make it harsher

I have to agree if a hacker joins and gets kicked its like big deal to them but if they get banned it will stop them from causing problems on the server.

:plussp: our latest hacker hacked on at least 4 diffrent sessions before he got kicked
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My Opinion on some stuff about the Hacking Policy 6 years 2 months ago #825566

Then i just get a kick and I can join after let's say 2 months and hack again

Why would anyone wait two whole months? Bad argument.
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My Opinion on some stuff about the Hacking Policy 6 years 2 months ago #825578

Aspect wrote:
Then i just get a kick and I can join after let's say 2 months and hack again

Why would anyone wait two whole months? Bad argument.

Because some people, after they get kicked from a server for Hacking, they understand that the current Staff Team know that they are hacking, so they just join another server. But that doesn't mean he won't be able to join our server again in the future and do the exact same thing...
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My Opinion on some stuff about the Hacking Policy 6 years 2 months ago #825585

So... after taking a look at this post made by one of our most mature staff in my opinion
"most mature staff in my opinion"
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My Opinion on some stuff about the Hacking Policy 6 years 2 months ago #825586

Lets not start this hacking topic again. We have all tried and nothing happens, even when we had RedPowder on our side. Just give in.
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My Opinion on some stuff about the Hacking Policy 6 years 2 months ago #825596

Fred Wroolie wrote:
Lets not start this hacking topic again. We have all tried and nothing happens, even when we had RedPowder on our side. Just give in.

I don't think i was here when this happened.
Well, could you tell us the outcome of that then? So me aswell as the new staff understand why the fuck it changed?
Also, why do the higher ups not understand that this new change doesn't appeal to us?
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My Opinion on some stuff about the Hacking Policy 6 years 2 months ago #825649

Where is Red Powder when you need him?
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My Opinion on some stuff about the Hacking Policy 6 years 2 months ago #825665

Nick0GR wrote:
Where is Red Powder when you need him?
Doesn't matter, countless topics, posts, valid arguments, successful polls and attempts have already been made to change this many of them with support from high ranking staff members e.g. Super Admins, Head Admins or highly respected community members like RedPowder. Clearly our opinions and views don't matter in this situation and nothing can be done to change this policy we just have to accept it as it is.
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