TOPIC: Should Kitsune & Kitsune2 be removed?

Should Kitsune & Kitsune2 be removed?

kitsune2 yes kitsune no

get foking rid of them

Yes they both are trash

Why?

i thought it was a skin removal lol, dont play surf so my opinion doesnt mean much could a forum admin remove my vote please

Clarky wrote:
Its been a discussion for a long time on the server, some people say they love the maps and others say they are over played, today I noticed it made over 50% of the server leave they it came onto the maps so I decided to see what other surf players think.

removing maps won't bring her back bro

Overplayed

also seems to impact player count, happens with other maps too but Kitsune1/2 seem to be on all the time these days

remove weeb name map

The reason they shouldn't be removed is because of the "swag" button

(My opinion):

I think the maps aren't really the problem. It's the decisions that are made revolving these maps (and other maps) that has become an issue:

Naturally the server has players with different skills and map preferences. Some people are still trying to complete the map, in contrast with those who have overplayed it. Given that this is supposed to be a "beginner" server there's generally a handful of people that take long to complete these maps meaning these maps could be on for at least an hour at a time if there's constant voting to extend it.

The real issue is how many times these maps get chosen a day. You'll find for example kitsune2 has been played at least 3 times within a day with each session being at least an hour long. It gets annoying. On one occasion kitsune2 was on for a solid 5 hours.

Then there's the shit-talk that happens when people rtv the map, insults thrown based on player skill, the begging to rtv, the begging to extend, etc.

And why I think these maps are played so often a day is due to selfishness and abusing the "nominate" system. "If the map I want wasn't chosen I will simply nominate it again immediately after the map-change, talk shit about how the current map sucks, wait 9 minutes to rtv, shout vote like there's no tomorrow, until I get what I want and fuck everyone else."

If these maps are removed, it's likely that people will just substitute them with other maps, over-nominate those maps and play those for several times a day for hours.

A possible solution would be to restrict the amount of times these maps can be mass-nominated a day.

both of them need to stay!

goldauraz wrote:
I think a bit of this is definitely included in the over all issue with kitsune and kitsune 2. Partially, yes these maps have been overplayed for a while because for many "new" surfers, they've seen on youtube that kitsune is a good starter map. Truth is, its got simple stages but there are countless other easy beginner maps that help new surfers like utopia, boreas, mesa tf2, etc. The main issue is the voting system I would say. Shoutvote on it's own is something I would say doesn't really work on surf or bhop. The map that wins should be the map that wins the most votes for that nomination period and not who wants to mic spam the most.

Another honestly is the fact that the rtv time is far too short. A map should be on the server for minimum 20-30 minutes before players can RTV it in my opinion. Part of the reason these players you mentioned become toxic when people try to rtv the map they're trying to complete is because they feel they have to fight this huge battle against others players wanting to RTV every 10 minutes. It's exhausting.

Map mastery, even on a "easy" surf server is important to a lot of players (including me). Part of the reason why I've been playing less is simply because when I want to play a map and go for a good time on it I know I'll have to come on during dead hours to even have a shot at playing it for more than 10-20 minutes before people start bitching and complaining about rtving the map.

goldauraz wrote:



We also have the same problem with Omnific. I agree on the solution that Gold proposed

Don't remove the maps, the issue is that they're overplayed as shit. There should be a cooldown or somthing on maps, lets say you have to play 10 other maps before you can play the same one again.

you want to remove the maps that make surf
surf

dont remove them just add a cooldown

Knuthulhu wrote:


Those maps aren't the problem

Due to the votes being quite close, for now I have increased the map cooldown time so that some maps cannot be played for a bit longer, let me know if it's good or needs to be increased more!!