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Johnler wrote:

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RealDenis wrote:

Johnler wrote:

Smo wrote:

Raeker wrote:

What people do not understand is that a lot of time has been put into the server. Sure, you might not like the gamemode (I don't enjoy it either) and yes, the updates might have had very little effect, but it's a fact that the server has had a lot of time put into it.

Is the gamemode shit? In my opinion, yes. But Xnator did work hard on it and that is simply a fact, whether you like it or not.

so we keep this dead server because xnator has put time and money into it

I normally wouldn't respond to this topic. But this triggered me.

Dear "Smo",
Let's say you are now the proud owner of a new gamemode! Let's say it's Jailbreak. Congratulations. So 6 months pass by and you have put in HOURS and HOURS of your life learning how to code, coding, updating and investing in this project. Then out of the sudden, one guy makes a post and suggests the server and all your work to go to the trash can. If the CM team accept his suggestion, how would you feel? You will be bursting with happiness i bet! So stop thinking only about ruining someone's hard work and think more about how to improve this "dead" server so it gets more popular.

Also the server is not "dead". It gets atleast 10 ACTIVE players a day and has a stable Staff Team. That is decent. Better than some other servers we had before.

Even if you still disagree, answer to this question: Why would you make a post titled: "Getting rid of the murder server" instead of a post like: "New Gamemode Suggestion!". And please do not mention about the server and the cost. That is not your job since you do not own the community. That is the Community Team's job and they should be the ones deciding about Murder's Fate.
That shows that you think negatively. Instead of happily suggesting something new, you are causing drama bringing up the shut down of the Murder Server.

Hello mate I haven't got anything against you but lemme just argue back since I disagree with you.

Firstly, coding in lua and coding in general isn't that hard and making a murder server with some custom content (which isn't anything too amazing btw) is rly not too hard if you have any basic lua knowledge. The custom content requires a higher level of lua knowledge yes but he didn't even make all the custom content from scratch and what he did make from scratch he likely had extensive help with. While I'm not saying he did a bad job I'm just saying its nothing too amazing.

Likewise any way you look at it ZARP is both a community and a business, Chute and EMP want to open up the servers which have higher player counts and thus reel in more donations and the community wants a server which will thrive so that it can expand and improve. Murder is not that server evidently and the community don't want it so the only logical step would be to remove it and replace it with something they do want.

Your point about it not being dead since it gets at least 10 players a day is also pretty invalid since even if ZARP was a tiny community and they only had Murder it would still be below average, but when you take into consideration the vast size of ZARP's community and compare it with Murder's miniscule playerbase you can clearly see that it is infact dead. You even prove that it shouldn't be like that when you state that its better than "some servers we had before" and there is clearly a reason we had them before and not now right?

I also disagree with your final point about normal community members not having to consider costs and whatnot since the more money ZARP pulls in the better since it could mean Chute buys another box and thus we get even more game servers and ZARP's community expands further.

loxeo wrote:

Johnler wrote:

I normally wouldn't respond to this topic. But this triggered me.

Dear "Smo",
Let's say you are now the proud owner of a new gamemode! Let's say it's Jailbreak. Congratulations. So 6 months pass by and you have put in HOURS and HOURS of your life learning how to code, coding, updating and investing in this project. Then out of the sudden, one guy makes a post and suggests the server and all your work to go to the trash can. If the CM team accept his suggestion, how would you feel? You will be bursting with happiness i bet! So stop thinking only about ruining someone's hard work and think more about how to improve this "dead" server so it gets more popular.

Also the server is not "dead". It gets atleast 10 ACTIVE players a day and has a stable Staff Team. That is decent. Better than some other servers we had before.

Even if you still disagree, answer to this question: Why would you make a post titled: "Getting rid of the murder server" instead of a post like: "New Gamemode Suggestion!". And please do not mention about the server and the cost. That is not your job since you do not own the community. That is the Community Team's job and they should be the ones deciding about Murder's Fate.
That shows that you think negatively. Instead of happily suggesting something new, you are causing drama bringing up the shut down of the Murder Server.

Your argument is inherently flawed. The murder server was created to use the extra slots the server wasn't using and making the server was NOT IN FAVOR OF THE POPULAR VOTE.

The poll results:

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Results:
30% Yes (24 YES)
70% No (54 NO)
(Old, Initial Poll - even so in this poll, there is not so much of a large sample size - 78 people)
19% Yes (24 YES)
81% No (104 NO)
(New Pol - featured in this thread - updated - larger sample size - 128 people)

The new poll saw an increase of (50 people) 64.1% of voters since the last poll. The results have also tipped themselves farther in favor of throwing the server out. (30% -> 19% (NO));

These figures have changed after the community has had time to appraise the server, and its clearly not an addition we would like to keep as a whole if it limits Zarp adding another server in place of it. (*)

Once again, I personally believe this suggestion was made that so when a new server has the chance to arise, the murder server will be dumped in sacrifice of a new server. (*) There's no reason to remove a perfectly working, however somewhat dead, server when there's no need or problem with it.

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RealDenis wrote:

Johnler wrote:

Smo wrote:

Raeker wrote:

What people do not understand is that a lot of time has been put into the server. Sure, you might not like the gamemode (I don't enjoy it either) and yes, the updates might have had very little effect, but it's a fact that the server has had a lot of time put into it.

Is the gamemode shit? In my opinion, yes. But Xnator did work hard on it and that is simply a fact, whether you like it or not.

so we keep this dead server because xnator has put time and money into it

I normally wouldn't respond to this topic. But this triggered me.

Dear "Smo",
Let's say you are now the proud owner of a new gamemode! Let's say it's Jailbreak. Congratulations. So 6 months pass by and you have put in HOURS and HOURS of your life learning how to code, coding, updating and investing in this project. Then out of the sudden, one guy makes a post and suggests the server and all your work to go to the trash can. If the CM team accept his suggestion, how would you feel? You will be bursting with happiness i bet! So stop thinking only about ruining someone's hard work and think more about how to improve this "dead" server so it gets more popular.

Also the server is not "dead". It gets atleast 10 ACTIVE players a day and has a stable Staff Team. That is decent. Better than some other servers we had before.

Even if you still disagree, answer to this question: Why would you make a post titled: "Getting rid of the murder server" instead of a post like: "New Gamemode Suggestion!". And please do not mention about the server and the cost. That is not your job since you do not own the community. That is the Community Team's job and they should be the ones deciding about Murder's Fate.
That shows that you think negatively. Instead of happily suggesting something new, you are causing drama bringing up the shut down of the Murder Server.

Hello mate I haven't got anything against you but lemme just argue back since I disagree with you.

Firstly, coding in lua and coding in general isn't that hard and making a murder server with some custom content (which isn't anything too amazing btw) is rly not too hard if you have any basic lua knowledge. The custom content requires a higher level of lua knowledge yes but he didn't even make all the custom content from scratch and what he did make from scratch he likely had extensive help with. While I'm not saying he did a bad job I'm just saying its nothing too amazing.

Likewise any way you look at it ZARP is both a community and a business, Chute and EMP want to open up the servers which have higher player counts and thus reel in more donations and the community wants a server which will thrive so that it can expand and improve. Murder is not that server evidently and the community don't want it so the only logical step would be to remove it and replace it with something they do want.

Your point about it not being dead since it gets at least 10 players a day is also pretty invalid since even if ZARP was a tiny community and they only had Murder it would still be below average, but when you take into consideration the vast size of ZARP's community and compare it with Murder's miniscule playerbase you can clearly see that it is infact dead. You even prove that it shouldn't be like that when you state that its better than "some servers we had before" and there is clearly a reason we had them before and not now right?

I also disagree with your final point about normal community members not having to consider costs and whatnot since the more money ZARP pulls in the better since it could mean Chute buys another box and thus we get even more game servers and ZARP's community expands further.

No offence to the people who defend the Murder server but it's like you guys aren't reading a single one of our arguments, the shit Denis is saying here has been mentioned over and over again, just differently paraphrased, let alone our other arguments.

What's so hard to understand about Murder being a fucking terrible game mode? Stop assuming that the only reason the server is failing is because the community is negative about it and that we refuse to try it, because that's not it, don't blame us, I played Murder, it got boring after 2 hours, it's just a fucking stripped down terrible version of TTT, you can try and sugar coat it with your addons all you want, it won't stop it from being shit.

I understand your points. Although what i am trying to say is that it is not worth replacing the Murder Server at the momment. We can always improve it. I know it's boring for some people and the majority of the community would like something else. But everytime i check the top gamemodes on Gmod these are the results:

1. Dark RP (Zarp has 3 servers there)
2. Star Wars RP
3. TTT (Zarp has 1 server there)
4. Sandbox
5. Mili RP
6. Zombie Survival
7. Breach
8. SCP RP
9. Cinema
10. Murder (Zarp has 1 server there)

So we should see what the majority of the Gmod players prefer playing other than asking the players in the Community. One of you mentioned business. Don't you think that Zarp would get many new players and would earn so much with their VIP purchases if we had the most successful server in one of these categories? But, if i make a poll for example for a new SWRP server (because most of ZARP players are SSRP players) the vote would be 90% No and 10% yes or something. But if it got accepted we would definitely get many new members since it's the 2nd most played gamemode. Murder is most of the times in the top 10 gamemodes and that's why Xnator decided to try and make one. Also if you were suggesting replacing Murder with a gamemode like the ones above, i wouldn't disagree. But most of you suggest and want a JB server. JB gamemode is usually not even in the top 15 gamemodes. What makes you think it will have more new players and will be more successful than Murder currently is?

This post should have been more specific. I am trying to say to SMO that instead of proposing the removal of a Server, he should bring up some other ideas for it to be replaced with.

Oh you have a point, fuck the Murder server and lets get a more popular server because all that matters is the playercount!
I would much rather have a SCR RP server full of 12 year olds screaming down the mic...

JB is actually a good gamemode but one of the reasons it isnt in the all important "Top 10" is because it doesnt exactly appeal to kids.

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[quote="Johnler" post=728596][spoiler] [quote="RealDenis" post=727359][quote="Johnler" post=727320][quote="Smo" post=726265][quote="Raeker" post=726248]What people do not understand is that a lot of time has been put into the server. Sure, you might not like the gamemode (I don't enjoy it either) and yes, the updates might have had very little effect, but it's a fact that the server has had a lot of time put into it.

Is the gamemode shit? In my opinion, yes. But Xnator did work hard on it and that is simply a fact, whether you like it or not.[/quote]

so we keep this dead server because xnator has put time and money into it[/quote]

I normally wouldn't respond to this topic. But this triggered me.

Dear "Smo",
Let's say you are now the proud owner of a new gamemode! Let's say it's Jailbreak. Congratulations. So 6 months pass by and you have put in HOURS and HOURS of your life learning how to code, coding, updating and investing in this project. Then out of the sudden, one guy makes a post and suggests the server and all your work to go to the trash can. If the CM team accept his suggestion, how would you feel? You will be bursting with happiness i bet! So stop thinking only about ruining someone's hard work and think more about how to improve this "dead" server so it gets more popular.

Also the server is not "dead". It gets atleast 10 ACTIVE players a day and has a stable Staff Team. That is decent. Better than some other servers we had before.

Even if you still disagree, answer to this question: Why would you make a post titled: "Getting rid of the murder server" instead of a post like: "New Gamemode Suggestion!". And please do not mention about the server and the cost. That is not your job since you do not own the community. That is the Community Team's job and they should be the ones deciding about Murder's Fate.
 That shows that you think negatively. Instead of happily suggesting something new, you are causing drama bringing up the shut down of the Murder Server.[/quote]
Hello mate I haven't got anything against you but lemme just argue back since I disagree with you.

Firstly, coding in lua and coding in general isn't that hard and making a murder server with some custom content (which isn't anything too amazing btw) is rly not too hard if you have any basic lua knowledge. The custom content requires a higher level of lua knowledge yes but he didn't even make all the custom content from scratch and what he did make from scratch he likely had extensive help with. While I'm not saying he did a bad job I'm just saying its nothing too amazing.

Likewise any way you look at it ZARP is both a community and a business, Chute and EMP want to open up the servers which have higher player counts and thus reel in more donations and the community wants a server which will thrive so that it can expand and improve. Murder is not that server evidently and the community don't want it so the only logical step would be to remove it and replace it with something they do want.

Your point about it not being dead since it gets at least 10 players a day is also pretty invalid since even if ZARP was a tiny community and they only had Murder it would still be below average, but when you take into consideration the vast size of ZARP's community and compare it with Murder's miniscule playerbase you can clearly see that it is infact dead. You even prove that it shouldn't be like that when you state that its better than "some servers we had before" and there is clearly a reason we had them before and not now right?

I also disagree with your final point about normal community members not having to consider costs and whatnot since the more money ZARP pulls in the better since it could mean Chute buys another box and thus we get even more game servers and ZARP's community expands further.[/quote]

[quote="loxeo" post=727429][quote="Johnler" post=727320]
I normally wouldn't respond to this topic. But this triggered me.

Dear "Smo",
Let's say you are now the proud owner of a new gamemode! Let's say it's Jailbreak. Congratulations. So 6 months pass by and you have put in HOURS and HOURS of your life learning how to code, coding, updating and investing in this project. Then out of the sudden, one guy makes a post and suggests the server and all your work to go to the trash can. If the CM team accept his suggestion, how would you feel? You will be bursting with happiness i bet! So stop thinking only about ruining someone's hard work and think more about how to improve this "dead" server so it gets more popular.

Also the server is not "dead". It gets atleast 10 ACTIVE players a day and has a stable Staff Team. That is decent. Better than some other servers we had before.

Even if you still disagree, answer to this question: Why would you make a post titled: "Getting rid of the murder server" instead of a post like: "New Gamemode Suggestion!". And please do not mention about the server and the cost. That is not your job since you do not own the community. That is the Community Team's job and they should be the ones deciding about Murder's Fate.
 That shows that you think negatively. Instead of happily suggesting something new, you are causing drama bringing up the shut down of the Murder Server.[/quote]

Your argument is inherently flawed. The murder server was created to use the extra slots the server wasn't using and making the server was [b]NOT IN FAVOR OF THE POPULAR VOTE[/b].

The poll results:
[spoiler]http://zarpgaming.com/index.php/forum/server-issues/87483-zarp-murder[/spoiler]

Results:
[b]30% Yes[/b] (24 YES)
[b]70% No[/b] (54 NO)
(Old, Initial Poll - even so in this poll, there is not so much of a large sample size - [b]78 people[/b])
[b]19% Yes[/b] (24 YES)
[b]81% No[/b] (104 NO)
(New Pol - featured in this thread - updated - larger sample size - [b]128 people[/b])

The new poll saw an increase of (50 people) 64.1% of voters since the last poll. The results have also tipped themselves farther in favor of throwing the server out. (30% -> 19% (NO));

These figures have changed after the community has had time to appraise the server, and its clearly not an addition we would like to keep as a whole [i]if it limits Zarp adding another server in place of it[/i]. (*)

Once again, I [i]personally[/i] believe this suggestion was made that so when a new server has the chance to arise, the murder server will be dumped in sacrifice of a new server. (*) There's no reason to remove a perfectly working, however somewhat dead, server when there's no need or problem with it.[/quote]

[quote="Blocked" post=727432][spoiler][quote="RealDenis" post=727359][quote="Johnler" post=727320][quote="Smo" post=726265][quote="Raeker" post=726248]What people do not understand is that a lot of time has been put into the server. Sure, you might not like the gamemode (I don't enjoy it either) and yes, the updates might have had very little effect, but it's a fact that the server has had a lot of time put into it.