JiminyBillyBob wrote:
That's false - we DO get requests such as the one you aroused.

The thing is, we don't go out of our minds - that's why we put up with them. But then, the argument can be re used for the general public.

YOU might be a helpful person. Despite this, people who just want to roleplay will 'go out of their mind' if THEY see 'questions like "how do i fill up my car?"'
JiminyBillyBob wrote:
This is common sense. Even though you're attempting to deprecate my argument, the fact that he meta-gamed still exists.

We have no time for people who disregard the rules to ask admin related questions VIA OOC - now upon reflection of the messages, it DOES appear that he is asking a question, but as much as that argument is valid - I can say that he was reporting 'CAMERA BLOCK' within the first message. Other people have been muted for this, today, yesterday, weeks ago - and it WILL continue. It's out of order that they feel they should be entitled to answers more than anyone else.

We can not define mute times within our current administration interface. It is not 'completely out of order' - as the party who assisted the person, you may feel this - but that's your opinion. He had the ability to apologize and ask for an unmute.

People do get muted for the offenses he made, and if you want to contradict everyone else for this one person, it's a very un balanced view. Should you feel that this practice is un unnecessary, make a suggestion in the appropriate forum section - because otherwise this will be ongoing.

The likelihood is that by other members of the administrative body, people will have been kicked for this too. Good luck reporting other members of staff for each and every time this practice has been maintained - your keyboard would be broken by the time you'd finished.
JiminyBillyBob wrote:
He's not supposed to PM every individual member of the server - that's exactly why I aroused the argument, because it is impractical. I'm saying that it's an admin related issue, and that's where he was supposed to get the help.

As I've already pointed out in this message, he DID report something against the rules just by saying the words:

...therefore the argument in its entirety it invalid.
JiminyBillyBob wrote:
In terms, it still is an exaggeration of anything unnecessary. Considering issues like minging, this is very low priority and an extremely miniscule, if at all, (an) issue. What I'm trying to get at is the fact that plenty of other staff will have followed the practice before, and you're reporting the one you see first.

As much as I'd hate to say it, if he wants to leave the server, it isn't really an issue to us. But what he did, could have discouraged players from playing the server - someone who comes online and sees people caps-raging about "OH MY GOD HOW DO I DO THIS" "HOW DO I DO THAT" can easily be discouraged. He broke several rules, fair and square. He gets the punishment, which was a mute.

If you feel that this was a needless mute and a bad discipline of an admin, then you've got a LOT of people to speak to. Mutes are nothing, and pretty much anyone who decides to appeal them gets un muted - on the basis that we can't set timeframes for them.

The main fail in your report is that, as much as the mute MAY WELL HAVE BEEN abrupt to a small degree, people unlike yourself who wish to play the server without questions being spammed, and don't want to help, would disagree with your request - and unfortunately in a democratic environment, the majority vote wins.

And that's what the basis of this practice is from, the fact that the people who are there to help are staff, and the people who are there to play are users. Big segregation.

As much as you were there to help, and you did - the player was still muted for breaking the rules, and if we haven't yet established, the violations in those two tiny messages included: spam, disturbance of the OOC, failure to use F1 to report an admin related issue, upper case chat

• Spam
• Disturbance of OOC
• Failure to use F1 to report an admin related issue
• Upper case chat

The fact that he DID accuse someone of camera blocking means that the issue becomes an admin related issue, until you can prove to me that you can go there and remove it.
JiminyBillyBob wrote:
I suggested it, whilst also inferring shallowly that it's not something to be so worried about - especially when it wasn't against you and he may well have agreed to the mute.

Generally, I never "promoted" that you should do it - I just wanted you to stop spamming up the OOC for the greater good of those who are roleplaying, which is what this entire argument relates to.

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[quote=JiminyBillyBob] [quote=Christopher] Don't try to find loopholes, as he is still disturbing people who want to roleplay. [/quote] I haven't tried to find any loophole, there is nothing in the rules that says you can't ask the people of the server a question about the game, i've said it before and i'll say it again, if people start making F1 requests with silly questions like 'how do i fill up my car?' all the time, you'll go out of your mind. [/quote] That's false - we DO get requests such as the one you aroused. The thing is, we don't go out of our minds - that's why we put up with them. But then, the argument can be re used for the general public. [b]YOU[/b] might be a helpful person. Despite this, people who just want to roleplay will 'go out of their mind' if THEY see 'questions like "how do i fill up my car?"' [quote=JiminyBillyBob] [quote=Christopher] The mute was still valid in the form that he was told to use F1, the messages were all in upper case and they were meta gaming. [/quote] There is nothing in the rules that says you can't use upper case text in OOC, i've seen plenty of people do it and nobody has ever said anything. He was told to use F1, yes. But then instantly muted after being told, you also left this guy muted for 30 minutes, which is completely out of order, he had to relog so he could talk again. [/quote] This is common sense. Even though you're attempting to deprecate my argument, the fact that he meta-gamed still exists. We have no time for people who disregard the rules to ask admin related questions VIA OOC - now upon reflection of the messages, it DOES appear that he is asking a question, but as much as that argument is valid - I can say that he was reporting 'CAMERA BLOCK' within the first message. Other people have been muted for this, today, yesterday, weeks ago - and it WILL continue. It's out of order that they feel they should be entitled to answers more than anyone else. We can not define mute times within our current administration interface. It is not 'completely out of order' - as the party who assisted the person, you may feel this - but that's your opinion. He had the ability to apologize and ask for an unmute. People do get muted for the offenses he made, and if you want to contradict everyone else for this one person, it's a very un balanced view. Should you feel that this practice is un unnecessary, make a suggestion in the appropriate forum section - because otherwise this will be ongoing. The likelihood is that by other members of the administrative body, people will have been kicked for this too. Good luck reporting other members of staff for each and every time this practice has been maintained - your keyboard would be broken by the time you'd finished. [quote=JiminyBillyBob] [quote=Christopher] If he had a question and wanted to ask ANYONE, he could have used PM - but since he was still reporting something against the rules, it was an admin related issue. [/quote] He wasn't reporting something against the rules, he was asking whether something was against the rules. You expect the guy to PM each individual member of the server 1 by 1 until he finds someone who knows the answer? [/quote] He's not supposed to PM every individual member of the server - that's exactly why I aroused the argument, because it is impractical. I'm saying that it's an admin related issue, and that's where he was supposed to get the help. As I've already pointed out in this message, he DID report something against the rules just by saying the words: [quote]CAM BLOCK[/quote] ...therefore the argument in its entirety it invalid. [quote=JiminyBillyBob] [quote]Please, stop trying and failing to make a mountain out of a molehill. [/quote] I don't see how requesting a Tier 1 warning is making a mountain of anything, requesting a ban or demote would have been making a mountain out of it, you discouraged the gentleman from playing upon the server, by needlessly muting him, and that is not the attitude i expect an admin to greet a simple question with. [/quote] In terms, it still is an exaggeration of anything unnecessary. Considering issues like minging, this is very low priority and an extremely miniscule, if at all, (an) issue. What I'm trying to get at is the fact that plenty of other staff will have followed the practice before, and you're reporting the one you see first. As much as I'd hate to say it, if he wants to leave the server, it isn't really an issue to us. But what he did, could have discouraged players from playing the server - someone who comes online and sees people caps-raging about "OH MY GOD HOW DO I DO THIS" "HOW DO I DO THAT" can easily be discouraged. He broke several rules, fair and square. He gets the punishment, which was a mute. If you feel that this was a needless mute and a bad discipline of an admin, then you've got a LOT of people to speak to. Mutes are nothing, and pretty much anyone who decides to appeal them gets un muted - on the basis that we can't set timeframes for them. The main fail in your report is that, as much as the mute [b]MAY WELL HAVE BEEN[/b] abrupt to a small degree, people unlike yourself who wish to play the server without questions being spammed, and don't want to help, would disagree with your request - and unfortunately in a democratic environment, the majority vote wins. And that's what the basis of this practice is from, the fact that the people who are there to help are staff, and the people who are there to play are users. Big segregation. As much as you were there to help, and you did - the player was still muted for breaking the rules, and if we haven't yet established, the violations in those two tiny messages included: spam, disturbance of the OOC, failure to use F1 to report an admin related issue, upper case chat [ul] [li]Spam[/li] [li]Disturbance of OOC[/li] [li]Failure to use F1 to report an admin related issue[/li] [li]Upper case chat[/li][/ul] The fact that he DID accuse someone of camera blocking means that the issue becomes an admin related issue, until you can prove to me that you can go there and remove it. [quote=JiminyBillyBob] [quote]Please, stop trying and failing to make a mountain out of a molehill. [/quote] You are the one who asked me to take it to the forums, so i have, so don't say i'm the one making a mountain out of anything. [/quote] I suggested it, whilst also inferring shallowly that it's not something to be so worried about - especially when it wasn't against you and he may well have agreed to the mute. Generally, I never "promoted" that you should do it - I just wanted you to stop spamming up the OOC for the greater good of those who are roleplaying, which is what this entire argument relates to. [url=http://i.imgur.com/ztSULk8h.jpg]http://i.imgur.com/ztSULk8h.jpg[/url]