Nogtog wrote:
I fully agree with you - I just want to clarify, I am not in any way shape or form saying that someone should be banned for 8 weeks for this alone. In this case, I can only assume Dutch made this decision based on Miss Legend's rapsheet, on which she does have a past history of discriminatory behaviour. As I said in my previous post, for a minor thing like this, usually a verbal warning would suffice, but when it is consistently done, it does add up (like how if someone RDMs once, they'll likely get a verbal or be told to be careful, but if they do these "little" things lots, they're going to end up with a ban for it).

I also agree with you on the second part, I think you may be misunderstanding me slightly here - within ZARP, discrimination in any way shape or form is not allowed. In person, around my gay friends and family members, a joke about being gay with the appropriate context (typically aimed at myself) is (in my opinion, and the friends I would ever make such jokes around) okay, but within ZARP of course it's not allowed, such language or jokes aren't permitted under the Terms of Use, and so even if someone who is affected is okay with such jokes or language, it's still punishable on our services (this is largely to prevent loopholing and due to the fact that when people don't know each other very well, as is the case online, such things lose the "humour" aspect and end up becoming just offensive - my wording on this bit may not be the best, but I think it gets across the point I'm trying to make properly).

Since a lot of people seem to find it funny to continue joking on the subject and making inappropriate comments, I'll be locking this appeal until Joshua wants to post the verdict. If anyone else wants to discuss this further, they're free to send me a DM on Discord.

[quote="Nogtog" post=1337704]If you're instantly muting someone for saying "that's so gay" and telling them their next offence will be AN EIGHT WEEK BAN that's just fucking nonsense I'm sorry. Obviously behaviour like that isn't tolerated but that's a light offence and its been treated like a full f slur or telling someone to kill themself. It wasn't even aimed at anyone? It was a statement and it could have been resolved with a "hey, watch your language in the chat yeah because that kind of stuff isn't tolerated here and next time you'll be muted". I really doubt anyone is disputing whether it's a nice thing to say but it's just a shitty move to instantly punish someone for that. Also excusing anything you've said because you're bisexual is cool and all but isn't it a thing that gay people can't say the f slur which they've reclaimed (maybe not the correct term I don't remember) and black people can't say the n word so why are you supposed to just be allowed to go against the discrimination policy you just mentioned yourself when I guarantee any other bi or gay people wouldn't[/quote] I fully agree with you - I just want to clarify, I am not in any way shape or form saying that someone should be banned for 8 weeks for this alone. In this case, I can only assume Dutch made this decision based on Miss Legend's rapsheet, on which she does have a past history of discriminatory behaviour. As I said in my previous post, for a minor thing like this, usually a verbal warning would suffice, but when it is consistently done, it does add up (like how if someone RDMs once, they'll likely get a verbal or be told to be careful, but if they do these "little" things lots, they're going to end up with a ban for it). I also agree with you on the second part, I think you may be misunderstanding me slightly here - within ZARP, discrimination in any way shape or form is not allowed. In person, around my gay friends and family members, a joke about being gay with the appropriate context (typically aimed at myself) is (in my opinion, and the friends I would ever make such jokes around) okay, but within ZARP of course it's not allowed, such language or jokes aren't permitted under the Terms of Use, and so even if someone who is affected is okay with such jokes or language, it's still punishable on our services (this is largely to prevent loopholing and due to the fact that when people don't know each other very well, as is the case online, such things lose the "humour" aspect and end up becoming just offensive - my wording on this bit may not be the best, but I think it gets across the point I'm trying to make properly). Since a lot of people seem to find it funny to continue joking on the subject and making inappropriate comments, I'll be locking this appeal until Joshua wants to post the verdict. If anyone else wants to discuss this further, they're free to send me a DM on Discord.