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EviIstewie wrote:
I get what you mean for sure but when something is made to make a mockery out of real trans issues, or to just generally take the piss out of the LGBTQI+ community then I find it rather hard to believe the transphobic people are a minority, I'd also like to stress again I'm not putting race into this or calling anyone nazis.
narexa wrote:
On the flip side a minority of people are actually racist/transphobic/neonazi etc but it seems everyone gets grouped from either side. You are far left or far right blah blah blah.
EviIstewie wrote:
Adding race to the mix is a silly argument, but on the topic of it being transpohic, it's such a small minority of people that believe not necessarily wanting to date a trans person is transphobic, there are definitely transphobic ways to go about it and to portray your disinterest in trans people but I feel like people get so worked up over the minority opinion and take that as if all trans people think like that and are that extreme, people just aren't actually like that, that shits just twitter.
Nogtog wrote:
Ngl i was rly tired when i posted that and sound like a fucking moron. I'm saying that referring to yourself as "super straight" makes you sound more transphobic than if you just say you don't want to date a trans person. By labelling yourself as super straight that's just unnecessary hate that you'll be getting. Like other people have said there are tons of different genders and everything and why is this term only being made now? In my opinion (which does not matter) it's just not needed to have a whole new term for people who don't want to date trans people, especially with the implications of calling yourself "super straight" (just sounds kinda bad) My point with the super white thing (which was fucking stupid with hindsight) was to do with people who wouldn't date black people for example, which doesn't make them racist. If you used such a term for your attraction towards race, it just sounds racist even though it wouldn't be, so why would you use it?
First off the term racist has been so over fucking used its lost all meaning, you got a 13 year old who dropped the nword instantly put in the same category as the scummy fucks in the KKK who lynch, burn and over all are just fucking disgusting people. And to be fair the term transphobic is over used, you can not want to date a trans person and get compared and put in the same category as someone who truly hates trans people (again those people are fucking idiots). Hence the term was made to show preferences from birth that they have no control over in the same way gay people are, or bi people or well how everyone can not control preferences
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EviIstewie wrote:
The post survived the night! Lets go and from what im seeing no deleted replies, good to see a no hate debate/discussion going well, nice one lads! Replied to a few of you \/ \/
Morgan
PZGrens
Nogtog
MsRevine
Maddox
Morgan
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Morgan wrote:
Under the definition of super straight yes you are.
I would not be interested in dating a trans person, does that mean I am super straight?
Under the definition of super straight yes you are.
PZGrens
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PZGrens wrote:
This comes across as contradicting.
I believe that its a product of internalized homophobia/transphobia. Imagine being so insecure in your sexuality that you have to label yourself as "super straight".
That being said I am a firm believer that people should be able to identify as whatever they view themselves as internally in order to make themselves feel more comfortable and that extends to people that I disagree with.
That being said I am a firm believer that people should be able to identify as whatever they view themselves as internally in order to make themselves feel more comfortable and that extends to people that I disagree with.
This comes across as contradicting.
Nogtog
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Nogtog wrote:
Well people get called transphobic and get hate towards them for saying they would not date a trans person due to personal preference hence the term super straight was made so they dont have to explain themselves and the term can be used to show they can't help how they feel. Then you are saying people who identify as super straight are neo-nazi's... Thats bloody silly. As for super white the fuck does that even mean? Race can't be fluid from what I believe in although I am friends with someone who identifies as "Bi-POC". The neo-nazi and super white comment really devalues your points which is a shame.
illegalimmigrant wrote:
narexa wrote:
Yeah but the point is that the term should not exist. Just say you don't want to date trans people for whatever reason that might be without using a ridiculous term that makes you sound like a neo-nazi. What's next? Super White?Morgan wrote:
No, you're just straight. I personally don't believe it makes you transphobic to not necessarily want to date trans people, (unless your preference for not wanting to date trans people stems from some preconceived notion of trans people or hatred towards them)
No it sounds like he's superstraight by definitionI would not be interested in dating a trans person, does that mean I am super straight?
No, you're just straight. I personally don't believe it makes you transphobic to not necessarily want to date trans people, (unless your preference for not wanting to date trans people stems from some preconceived notion of trans people or hatred towards them)
Well people get called transphobic and get hate towards them for saying they would not date a trans person due to personal preference hence the term super straight was made so they dont have to explain themselves and the term can be used to show they can't help how they feel. Then you are saying people who identify as super straight are neo-nazi's... Thats bloody silly. As for super white the fuck does that even mean? Race can't be fluid from what I believe in although I am friends with someone who identifies as "Bi-POC". The neo-nazi and super white comment really devalues your points which is a shame.
MsRevine
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MsRevine wrote:
There are 1,392,245,379,452,739,361 (<--- im not fucking kidding btw) labels to possibly identify with. Whats one more in the bunch.
There are so many labels already why would these be needed...
There are 1,392,245,379,452,739,361 (<--- im not fucking kidding btw) labels to possibly identify with. Whats one more in the bunch.
Maddox
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Maddox wrote:
Nice to see a different side, I also think its not a major deal in the sense people get so angry over it. I also don't think its important for the term to exist but it does shorten a whole essays worth of explaining into a label which means "my preference is towards cis gendered people". I don't see how/why that has been twisted into hatred towards trans people. In fact I think it is a good term, it means people are accepting a person as trans (like male to female) and regarding them as female but not wanting to date them. If that makes them transphobic well fuck, if you are dating a person of the same race you are also racist blar blar blar. Just causes more divide and UNNEEDED hatred
Sure there might be some people using it to be transphobic but in theory it’s fine in my eyes, people can be attracted to whatever, same going for what they aren’t attracted to. Sure, it’s not like i think it’s vitally important that a term like this exists, but I don’t see why not and it certainly isn’t transphobic to not be attracted to trans people.
Nice to see a different side, I also think its not a major deal in the sense people get so angry over it. I also don't think its important for the term to exist but it does shorten a whole essays worth of explaining into a label which means "my preference is towards cis gendered people". I don't see how/why that has been twisted into hatred towards trans people. In fact I think it is a good term, it means people are accepting a person as trans (like male to female) and regarding them as female but not wanting to date them. If that makes them transphobic well fuck, if you are dating a person of the same race you are also racist blar blar blar. Just causes more divide and UNNEEDED hatred
Ngl i was rly tired when i posted that and sound like a fucking moron. I'm saying that referring to yourself as "super straight" makes you sound more transphobic than if you just say you don't want to date a trans person. By labelling yourself as super straight that's just unnecessary hate that you'll be getting. Like other people have said there are tons of different genders and everything and why is this term only being made now? In my opinion (which does not matter) it's just not needed to have a whole new term for people who don't want to date trans people, especially with the implications of calling yourself "super straight" (just sounds kinda bad) My point with the super white thing (which was fucking stupid with hindsight) was to do with people who wouldn't date black people for example, which doesn't make them racist. If you used such a term for your attraction towards race, it just sounds racist even though it wouldn't be, so why would you use it?
First off the term racist has been so over fucking used its lost all meaning, you got a 13 year old who dropped the nword instantly put in the same category as the scummy fucks in the KKK who lynch, burn and over all are just fucking disgusting people. And to be fair the term transphobic is over used, you can not want to date a trans person and get compared and put in the same category as someone who truly hates trans people (again those people are fucking idiots). Hence the term was made to show preferences from birth that they have no control over in the same way gay people are, or bi people or well how everyone can not control preferences
Adding race to the mix is a silly argument, but on the topic of it being transpohic, it's such a small minority of people that believe not necessarily wanting to date a trans person is transphobic, there are definitely transphobic ways to go about it and to portray your disinterest in trans people but I feel like people get so worked up over the minority opinion and take that as if all trans people think like that and are that extreme, people just aren't actually like that, that shits just twitter.
On the flip side a minority of people are actually racist/transphobic/neonazi etc but it seems everyone gets grouped from either side. You are far left or far right blah blah blah.
I get what you mean for sure but when something is made to make a mockery out of real trans issues, or to just generally take the piss out of the LGBTQI+ community then I find it rather hard to believe the transphobic people are a minority, I'd also like to stress again I'm not putting race into this or calling anyone nazis.
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