MadMagic wrote: That may be true about spectating on multiple occasions, but the interval between the verbal he gave me and the actual warning was very small, about 2 or 3 rounds. I dont know how long or if he suspected me in the rounds beforehand, but he has stated himself in this appeal that -

"I had collected enough evidence of you guys ghosting as you friend killed me in the most inconspicuous areas of the map."

That was when he gave me the verbal warning. It seems like that's not very good evidence especially considering he was one of the last props alive no? Like I said, I don't know when or if he started suspecting me beforehand but thats something that can be checked by the higher ups, no? You can check admin chat logs, because I presume he was talking to the other admin about it, or you can check when he started checking who I spectated? The fact of the matter is that I was on the server for over an hour by the time he started suspecting me. Me and my friends were not causing trouble and he only seemed to start suspecting me after he was killed in his super secret spot. I keep hearing that it was over multiple rounds or that it happened on multiple occasions but how am I supposed to defend myself if I don't even know when or why he started suspecting me? All I know is that he gave me a verbal simply for spectating one of, if not the last props alive.

Also, I do believe that the "proof" of ghosting that you mentioned is quite flawed. If I'm dead as a prop, its not unlikely that I would be looking out for my friend to see if he gets close or not, so how is killing the prop I'm spectating actual valid proof of me ghosting?? Why is spectating the prop that my friend killed such a big deal??? Why would I spectate a prop that no hunters are around over the prop that hunters are around, or that my friend is around? Me and my friend got plenty of kills before the other was even dead, so how is it a problem because I spectate just a few that he killed??? This is why ghosting is such a problem to deal with, and basically took a confession to prove it back in my time of staffing.

The point of me arguing this much is not to get biosenic punished, the point of the report abuse was basically because he admin chat muted unnecessarily, and the handling staff has already dealt with that part, I'm no longer concerned about the report abuse, I'm just trying to get the punishment removed. I truly do believe that it was a false punishment, but I believe it was a genuine mistake on biosenics part. I'm only concerned with the punishment appeal at this point, not the report abuse

[quote="MadMagic" post=1302286]normally the one that makes the report is the one that needs evidence. in this scenario that might indeed not really be possible. you also say that getting evidence that someone is ghosting is difficult to obtain, it's actually not. you can see who they spectate. if the person that is being spectated gets killed by their friend, in multiple occasions across different rounds, and behavior like where the person on the hunters team kills the props in rapid succession and seems to know exactly where they are, this would seem like enough proof for ghosting. I was not there, so I can't tell exactly what happened. also you said you just ignored the pm. if you weren't ghosting, that's where you should have replied and said that you were not, explained why it might seem like ghosting to avoid further confusion.[/quote] That may be true about spectating on multiple occasions, but the interval between the verbal he gave me and the actual warning was very small, about 2 or 3 rounds. I dont know how long or if he suspected me in the rounds beforehand, but he has stated himself in this appeal that - "I had collected enough evidence of you guys ghosting as you friend killed me in the most inconspicuous areas of the map." That was when he gave me the verbal warning. It seems like that's not very good evidence especially considering he was one of the last props alive no? Like I said, I don't know when or if he started suspecting me beforehand but thats something that can be checked by the higher ups, no? You can check admin chat logs, because I presume he was talking to the other admin about it, or you can check when he started checking who I spectated? The fact of the matter is that I was on the server for over an hour by the time he started suspecting me. Me and my friends were not causing trouble and he only [i]seemed[/i] to start suspecting me after he was killed in his super secret spot. I keep hearing that it was over multiple rounds or that it happened on multiple occasions but how am I supposed to defend myself if I don't even know when or why he started suspecting me? All I know is that he gave me a verbal simply for spectating one of, if not the last props alive. Also, I do believe that the "proof" of ghosting that you mentioned is quite flawed. If I'm dead as a prop, its not unlikely that I would be looking out for my friend to see if he gets close or not, so how is killing the prop I'm spectating actual valid proof of me ghosting?? Why is spectating the prop that my friend killed such a big deal??? Why would I spectate a prop that no hunters are around over the prop that hunters are around, or that my friend is around? Me and my friend got plenty of kills before the other was even dead, so how is it a problem because I spectate just a [i]few[/i] that he killed??? This is why ghosting is such a problem to deal with, and basically took a confession to prove it back in my time of staffing. The point of me arguing this much is not to get biosenic punished, the point of the report abuse was basically because he admin chat muted unnecessarily, and the handling staff has already dealt with that part, I'm no longer concerned about the report abuse, I'm just trying to get the punishment removed. I truly do believe that it was a false punishment, but I believe it was a genuine mistake on biosenics part. I'm only concerned with the punishment appeal at this point, not the report abuse