I'll also avoid using spoilers, there's pretty much no need for them.

Responding to Kemi

Before anything, I'd like to thank you for taking (a lot) of time with writing a response, there's nothing I enjoy more than a good debate about a topic I have knowledge in, but sadly, I do not have 5 hours unlike you (no offense) to write a detailed response to every single thing you mentioned, so I hope you're not disappointed. However, I feel that there isn't a need for me to counter every argument of yours, as most of them I agree with! The only problem, is that both you and FireLord Ozai are trying to solve something that isn't currently a problem.

I'm saying this because I have yet to see a player abusing this "exploit" of getting away with RDM by simply saying "They passed an unidentified body". Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd also like to know from Ozai himself, if this has become a problem lately and you've indeed been witness to " players getting away with relentlessly gunning down other players and then claiming that they saw a body", why haven't you reported this to other staff/LT? Something as serious as lying in reports should not be disregarded and I am still confused as to why a rule change suggestion was necessary for us to get the information that this is, apparently, a serious flaw in the rule and a big problem.

My conclusion is - It's not a problem and when in a very rare occasion it is, it is a fairly obvious and easy-to-stop one. People are, in fact, not abusing this rule.

I'd like to say straight away, that in my almost 2 years of staffing, I have never encountered any situation in which a player was using unidentified bodies to get away with RDM, simple as that. Never in my staffing time have I come across a player that was mastermind-manipulating the entire staff team, clearing himself from getting slayed for their random killing. I find it very hard to believe that it has suddenly become a big problem (considering the server's playerbase has actually decreased), if you have any real proof that it is indeed a problem and there are players currently abusing this, please reach out to me or the Lead Team immediately.

If this were the case and players were indeed using this to avoid being punished, I'm fairly certain that it would be quite obvious to tell that they are lying. You can only use the same excuse so many times until you're found, it isn't the hardest thing paying attention to what respond with to their reports.

To conclude, all I am trying to imply is that you have the right idea, Ozai. However, a rule change should only be necessary if it is being used for the wrong reasons. I am not denying the fact that someone out there might have gotten away with RDM by using unidentified bodies as an excuse, however, such players are extremely scarce. This might be a bold thing to say and I mean no harm with it, but what you've done by making this post is indirectly promote abusing this rule. Then again, I have said and still stand on the point that it is fairly easy to spot obvious lying. Because of this, I believe the rule should stay just the way it has been.

Kemi spent quite a big part of his response discussing one situation where a player fails to spot or misses an unidentified body without knowing about its existence. It might be a little repetitive to say, but this isn't a problem either. Again, I would GLADLY respond to everything in detail and maybe have a private talk about this matter as well, but Economics doesn't let me write essays about rules in a video game for too long. But yeah, it really, REALLY isn't hard to spot a body, and all these suggestions to make the playermodels "stand out" are cool and all, but if I were to make an estimate, from my experience, the probability of someone not seeing an unIDed body is less than 1% in each round. Even if they end up somehow missing the body, they'll learn from their mistakes, further decreasing the chance of them making the same mistake.

Now, I don't play as much as I used to anymore, so maybe people suddenly have bad eyesight. Therefore, if I'm wrong and there are many occasions where a rookie or even veteran player misses a body, correct me straight away.

Your ideas on how to make corpses stand out more shows that you have good intentions and want the best for the server and players, but as I've talked about it already, none of these changes are needed due to the fact that this problem is immensely uncommon. There is currently a lot of work placed on the Server Owner's back, so I find it very unnecessary to implement additions which will barely change the outcome.

Thanks for reading this far, I'm pretty sure this post is on the verge of being locked, so if you have any other things to say, I'd advise you do that via direct messages @ my discord : David Ace#3797


im not including word count and other useless stuff that no one cares about, sorry not sorry, but i will say that this took me 30 minutes to write