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Lewis_is_java wrote:

Maddox wrote:

Chespin wrote:

Kurze wrote:

Lewis_is_java wrote:

Kurze wrote:

sorIe wrote:

i'm sorry but i'm pretty sure at one point i watched what you do and it's the furthest thing from playing the game, you can't just waltz into the commnuity and not actually play the game and say "hey i know how this gamemode works and i know the nuances of the rules well enough to enforce them to a good standard" because no one will buy it whatsoever unless you genuinely demonstrate your knowledge consistently

quite frankly on the basis of that alone it's a sizeable risk to accept you for a staff position as it currently stands, and one that can easily be avoided

:minussp:

Honestly, I see how you think this would apply here. Then again I merely don't see the reason why we should force a person to play in a certain way we want them to play so they can "prove" that they know how to play.

For example:

A user applies for staff and has 3 recent and gets denied for those recent. The same user then applies next week and those 3 recents are gone. This means that the user has had 2 weeks on no active/recent warnings. Now you could look at it that they played and learned to understand those rules and gained more knowledge and showed he has improved. At least that's what we like to believe.

Now to the reality of these cases. They get accepted due to the fact they were careful enough and gained a tad of knowledge in the past 2 weeks to not get any warnings. And then gets accepted to yet make mistakes as a staff member because they played the game mode as they wanted.

Now I don't see a difference between A person having 0 recents, amazing activity and a great application and has been staff in a different server. Now we cannot verify if that is true but why do we give a person who merely passed with 2 weeks of not getting warnings over someone who wants to play differently then others so they have fun on the server in their own way?

Hell, the worst thing that can happen is that Finn gets caught out in the training itself and fails all the questions being asked by the trainer and needs to get demoted for not knowing the rules.

I'm honestly a bit baffled by those who think that playing a server a different way than others do is a bad thing when going for staff.

Look at Richard from SSRP. Did a good job at staffing yet didn't compete in anything going on yet knows the rules?

So are you saying don't play TTT how TTT is supposed to be played?

there is a difference between standing there for 3 hours doing reports, and standing there for 3 hours doing nothing

Don’t assume by the way that they play that they don’t know the rules, from their app and scenario they included it doesn’t seem as tho they do have sufficient knowledge. I’d read their app and try to find any issues with it and also at the reports they are making/responding to look for any issues and then you can say that they don’t have enough knowledge of the rules. It’s a gmod server people can play it however they want and if they find it fun I really don’t see an issue with it

You don't see an issue? I'm sure his T buddies will disagree when they see one of their teamates is doing absolutely nothing to help win the round

That isnt true, when finn is the T they nor.ally play towards the end of the round if their team is dependent on them, meaning if finn is the last one or another t buddy needs a revive he would do it, hes done it many times in the past and still does so, like he said in one of his posts, he doesn't delay the game at all when he is the t or detective. You also say people dont find it fun when finn sits around but somehow hes got all these people that actually do love to interact and play with him. He doesn't have to be shooting every single round to have some fun and the game mode is played as normal by other people, no one really complains on his gameplay ig so I dont think that it should concern us at all. Hes shown he has an understanding of rules as he normally reports rulebreakers, he understands scenarios (shown in his app) and isnt rude but is helpful, something we want out staff members to be.

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[quote="Lewis_is_java" post=1246706][quote="Maddox" post=1246705][quote="Chespin" post=1246699][quote="Kurze" post=1246698][quote="Lewis_is_java" post=1246694][quote="Kurze" post=1246683][quote="sorIe" post=1246664]i'm sorry but i'm pretty sure at one point i watched what you do and it's the furthest thing from playing the game, you can't just waltz into the commnuity and not actually play the game and say "hey i know how this gamemode works and i know the nuances of the rules well enough to enforce them to a good standard" because no one will buy it whatsoever unless you genuinely demonstrate your knowledge consistently

quite frankly on the basis of that alone it's a sizeable risk to accept you for a staff position as it currently stands, and one that can easily be avoided

:minussp:[/quote]

Honestly, [u]I see how you think this would apply here[/u]. [b]Then again I merely don't see the reason why we should force a person to play in a certain way we want them to play so they can "prove" that they know how to play[/b].

For example:

A user applies for staff and has 3 recent and gets denied for those recent. The same user then applies next week and those 3 recents are gone. This means that the user has had 2 weeks on no active/recent warnings. Now you could look at it that they played and learned to understand those rules and gained more knowledge and showed he has improved. At least that's what we like to believe.

Now to the reality of these cases. They get accepted due to the fact they were careful enough and gained a tad of knowledge in the past 2 weeks to not get any warnings. And then gets accepted to yet make mistakes as a staff member because they played the game mode as they [b][u]wanted[/u][/b].

Now I don't see a difference between A person having 0 recents, amazing activity and a great application and has been staff in a different server. Now we cannot verify if that is true but [b]why do we give a person who merely passed with 2 weeks of not getting warnings over someone who wants to play differently then others so they have fun on the server in their own way? [/b]

Hell, the worst thing that can happen is that Finn gets caught out in the training itself and fails all the questions being asked by the trainer and needs to get demoted for not knowing the rules.

I'm honestly a bit baffled by those who think that playing a server a different way than others do is a bad thing when going for staff.

Look at Richard from SSRP. Did a good job at staffing yet didn't compete in anything going on yet knows the rules?[/quote]
So are you saying don't play TTT how TTT is supposed to be played?[/quote]

If you want to play if differently while still following the rules sure. I can stand there for 3 hours and do my job and do reports and not play why would it show that I don't know the rules? Sure you can play more and understand the rules more but Fin does actually play.[/quote]there is a difference between standing there for 3 hours doing reports, and standing there for 3 hours doing nothing[/quote]
Don’t assume by the way that they play that they don’t know the rules, from their app and scenario they included it doesn’t seem as tho they do have sufficient knowledge. I’d read their app and try to find any issues with it and also at the reports they are making/responding to look for any issues and then you can say that they don’t have enough knowledge of the rules. It’s a gmod server people can play it however they want and if they find it fun I really don’t see an issue with it[/quote]
You don't see an issue? I'm sure his T buddies will disagree when they see one of their teamates is doing absolutely nothing to help win the round[/quote]
That isnt true, when finn is the T they nor.ally play towards the end of the round if their team is dependent on them, meaning if finn is the last one or another t buddy needs a revive he would do it, hes done it many times in the past and still does so, like he said in one of his posts, he doesn't delay the game at all when he is the t or detective. You also say people dont find it fun when finn sits around but somehow hes got all these people that actually do love to interact and play with him. He doesn't have to be shooting every single round to have some fun and the game mode is played as normal by other people, no one really complains on his gameplay ig so I dont think that it should concern us at all. Hes shown he has an understanding of rules as he normally reports rulebreakers, he understands scenarios (shown in his app) and isnt rude but is helpful, something we want out staff members to be.

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