Henny wrote: Could that possibly be understood as you can kill someone for pushing yourself near an edge/hazard, but not for pushing someone else? (The same way you could kill someone for shooting at yourself, but not for shooting at another player unless you knew that player had not committed any traitorous acts). I do understand their viewpoint in that if you see a player pushing someone near an edge/hazard, you don’t know if the player they are pushing is a traitor or not, and therefore this could still come under joining fights just as much as killing someone who is shooting at another player.

Not sure my opinion on this appeal, but maybe that valid KOS reason isn’t the best, as it doesn’t exactly fit with the PvP rule.

[quote="Henny" post=1163696]Just want to point this out to both Lotto and David before I speak to David about this [code]2.6 Valid KOS Reasons - Pushing someone with a crowbar near an edge or hazard.[/code][/quote] Could that possibly be understood as you can kill someone for pushing yourself near an edge/hazard, but not for pushing someone else? (The same way you could kill someone for shooting at yourself, but not for shooting at another player unless you knew that player had not committed any traitorous acts). I do understand their viewpoint in that if you see a player pushing someone near an edge/hazard, you don’t know if the player they are pushing is a traitor or not, and therefore this could still come under joining fights just as much as killing someone who is shooting at another player. Not sure my opinion on this appeal, but maybe that valid KOS reason isn’t the best, as it doesn’t exactly fit with the PvP rule.