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RFlex wrote:

Clarky wrote:

RFlex wrote:

Rick Johnson wrote:

RFlex wrote:

Rick Johnson wrote:

Does anyone remember crafting an M202 in 2014-2015 and being so psyched about it? Imagine that with suits, amazing.

That was because it was hella hard to get money to buy/craft one of them.

Suits of any kind give a really big advantage to whoever is wearing one and therefore shouldnt be put on the "classic" server

If you make a classic server and decide to put suits on it then whats the point of the server? Its literally like the normal one. People want the suits removed because the difference of a guy with a psg and a guy with a jugg and psg is extremely big.

I want to raids and defences to be about skill again not about whoever has a suit or not.

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It's up to the community to decide whether or not they want suits on the server. My suggestion isn't exclusive to suits, though, and could be applied to any special item, so your reply is somewhat pointless in that regard.

I'm assessing a larger issue on the server at the moment, which is: new players find it extremely difficult to catch up with the older & seasoned players. I don't think the mere existence of suits is what was the downfall of the original servers, it has more to do with the fact that there is legitimately no feasible way for new players to gain the competitive edge the wealthy and experienced players have over them.

Items like M202 and Milkor could also be considered overpowered and reduce the level of skill needed to raid a base, yet they made combat more fun on the server. The same could go for suits as long as there are multiple ways of obtaining them that doesn't include getting lucky while opening a case or paying money to obtain them through boosters.

Also, PSGs can already defeat Juggernaut Suits (pre debuff, at least) if you're genuinely skilled. Assuming some changes to the suits are made to make them less overpowered, your proposition would become less and less of an issue, and overall would render suits to be on the same level as, for instance, M202s were in 2015.

I believe I included in my idea that we could have lesser versions of different suits as well, meaning that as a new player you could easily obtain a suit that, while it may not be as good as a Juggernaut suit, gives you enough edge to have virtually levelled grounds in combat.

Overall, I agree that skill should be more largely involved in the outcome of a raid or defence, although I'd like to see an attempt to balance the suits as well as creating ways for people to obtain them through normal means before we go straight towards the option of removing them entirely.

I think we should remove a lot of the items that are generally over-powered in the context of raiding/defending a base, such as gluons, tguns, electric rounds, etc. However, I'm opposed to the idea of having a server that serves to be exactly like the 500 others on the server list (by which I mean, basic weapons only).

Anyhow, I'll be going to sleep now. I'll come back to you tomorrow if you have anything else to add onto your initial response.

Suits are what made people leave, they got tired that someone who paid 5 euros for a booster can suddenly beat the best player in the game in a 1v1 because he has a suit. Its mind blowing how much of an advantage suits give you , you say that milkors and m202s could also be classified as op because it gives you an advantage but the advantage it gives you also has counterplay , you can use an m202 but if i come out and 1 tap you , you are out. With a suit you just equip it and you suddenly gain 10x on your health and armor stats which means instead of 1 shot you need to take 10. Thats without mentioning the abilities and speed you gain.

So no the advantage is not comparable.

Suits actually made the server a hell of a lot more fun, it went out of control when more and more of them kept coming out and were becoming way too OP with some of the abilities they had, mummy suit, evo with perma esp, etc. ZARP was the top 10 servers in gmod with suits in the game for quite a while so no, that is not why people ultimately left the server

Well from what i have read on this thread 70% of the people making a suggestion on what to blacklist have listed suits to be removed from the server.

Jugg / ACS / Nano were fun at first because they were new content and the first iteration of the Jugg wasnt even that OP , now suits are just annoying.

Well, that's subjective and from what I have gathered through playing on the server and talking to people on TS, a lot of people enjoy using the suits (I'm sure more people would agree if they have engaged in suit-on-suit combat). They aren't annoying if you have one yourself, and as soon as we implement methods to obtain them a lot easier I don't see why people would have a reason to complain about a fun addition to the game.

Additionally, we could consider - and probably will be - debuffing the suits^[1] to some extent and perhaps extend their usage, giving them multiple usages before getting destroyed^[2].

Oh, and I'm not saying we should keep ALL the suits. I think it's evident that the Mummy, EVO, and Golden Suits wouldn't work well in the context of a "classic" ZARP server.

^{[1] Make sure they can still somewhat viably be defeated while retaining some form of advantage, so the point of the suits aren't voided. This, coupled with the multiple "lives" or usages of the suits would still make them worth obtaining while retaining a level of fairness in combat.

[2] Would remove a recurring issue where people who aren't wealthy are afraid of using their suits and special items. Perhaps a bit stupid from the perspective of some people, but I see this a lot.}

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[quote="RFlex" post=1153789][quote="Clarky" post=1153754][quote="RFlex" post=1153559][quote="Rick Johnson" post=1153555][quote="RFlex" post=1153536][quote="Rick Johnson" post=1153525]
  [li]Does anyone remember crafting an M202 in 2014-2015 and being so psyched about it? Imagine that with suits, amazing.[/li]

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That was because it was hella hard to get money to buy/craft one of them.

Suits of any kind give a really big advantage to whoever is wearing one and therefore shouldnt be put on the "classic" server

If you make a classic server and decide to put suits on it then whats the point of the server? Its literally like the normal one. People want the suits removed because the difference of a guy with a psg and a guy with a jugg and psg is extremely big.

I want to raids and defences to be about skill again not about whoever has a suit or not.[/quote]

[spoiler]It's up to the community to decide whether or not they want suits on the server. My suggestion isn't exclusive to suits, though, and could be applied to any special item, so your reply is somewhat pointless in that regard.

I'm assessing a larger issue on the server at the moment, which is: new players find it extremely difficult to catch up with the older & seasoned players. I don't think the mere existence of suits is what was the downfall of the original servers, it has more to do with the fact that there is legitimately no feasible way for new players to gain the competitive edge the wealthy and experienced players have over them.

Items like M202 and Milkor could also be considered overpowered and reduce the level of skill needed to raid a base, yet they made combat more fun on the server. The same could go for suits as long as there are multiple ways of obtaining them that doesn't include getting lucky while opening a case or paying money to obtain them through boosters.

Also, PSGs can already defeat Juggernaut Suits (pre debuff, at least) if you're genuinely skilled. Assuming some changes to the suits are made to make them less overpowered, your proposition would become less and less of an issue, and overall would render suits to be on the same level as, for instance, M202s were in 2015.

I believe I included in my idea that we could have lesser versions of different suits as well, meaning that as a new player you could easily obtain a suit that, while it may not be [i]as [/i]good as a Juggernaut suit, gives you enough edge to have virtually levelled grounds in combat.

Overall, I agree that skill should be more largely involved in the outcome of a raid or defence, although I'd like to see an attempt to balance the suits as well as creating ways for people to obtain them through normal means before we go straight towards the option of removing them entirely.

I think we should remove a lot of the items that are generally over-powered in the context of raiding/defending a base, such as gluons, tguns, electric rounds, etc. However, I'm opposed to the idea of having a server that serves to be exactly like the 500 others on the server list (by which I mean, basic weapons only).

Anyhow, I'll be going to sleep now. I'll come back to you tomorrow if you have anything else to add onto your initial response.[/spoiler][/quote]

Suits are what made people leave, they got tired that someone who paid 5 euros for a booster can suddenly beat the best player in the game in a 1v1 because he has a suit. Its mind blowing how much of an advantage suits give you , you say that milkors and m202s could also be classified as op because it gives you an advantage but the advantage it gives you also has counterplay , you can use an m202 but if i come out and 1 tap you , you are out. With a suit you just equip it and you suddenly gain 10x on your health and armor stats which means instead of 1 shot you need to take 10. Thats without mentioning the abilities and speed you gain.

So no the advantage is not comparable.[/quote]
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Suits actually made the server a hell of a lot more fun, it went out of control when more and more of them kept coming out and were becoming way too OP with some of the abilities they had, mummy suit, evo with perma esp, etc. ZARP was the top 10 servers in gmod with suits in the game for quite a while so no, that is not why people ultimately left the server[/quote]

Well from what i have read on this thread 70% of the people making a suggestion on what to blacklist have listed suits to be removed from the server.

Jugg / ACS / Nano were fun at first because they were new content and the first iteration of the Jugg wasnt even that OP , now suits are just annoying.[/quote]

Well, that's subjective and from what I have gathered through playing on the server and talking to people on TS, a lot of people enjoy using the suits (I'm sure more people would agree if they have engaged in suit-on-suit combat). They aren't annoying if you have one yourself, and as soon as we implement methods to obtain them a lot easier I don't see why people would have a reason to complain about a fun addition to the game.

Additionally, we could consider - and probably will be - debuffing the suits[sup][1][/sup] to some extent and perhaps extend their usage, giving them multiple usages before getting destroyed[sup][2][/sup].

Oh, and I'm not saying we should keep ALL the suits. I think it's evident that the Mummy, EVO, and Golden Suits wouldn't work well in the context of a "classic" ZARP server.

[sup][1] Make sure they can still somewhat viably be defeated while retaining some form of advantage, so the point of the suits aren't voided. This, coupled with the multiple "lives" or usages of the suits would still make them worth obtaining while retaining a level of fairness in combat.

[2] Would remove a recurring issue where people who aren't wealthy are afraid of using their suits and special items. Perhaps a bit stupid from the perspective of some people, but I see this a lot.[/sup]

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