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RFlex wrote:
I don't think I'll continue the discussion on whether or not suits should be on the servers. After all, that's essentially what this entire thread is here to decide. I do, however, think there should be some optimization to how you obtain the items as that IS the reason people stopped playing on the server.
I've been staff on the SSRP servers for roughly a year, and a member for more than 4, and I can't say I've seen the servers dip to our current player count for the duration that it has now. People actually enjoy playing with suits, that's evident, and the main issue is that some people aren't able to get the suits in question, driving them away from the servers.
You even bring up yourself that someone with five bucks could essentially demolish anyone regardless of skill simply because they have an overpowered item. If we remove the paywall and improve the ways of obtaining the items it will be an even playing field because anyone can obtain virtually any item they want, thus allowing you to have the resources to counter a raid using a suit and vice-versa.
Also, M202 vs. PSG would not be fair. Blowing up the walls of someone's base and subsequently killing all the players inside the base can easily be done and would completely void any sense of fairness if it weren't for the fact that everyone could obtain items like the M202 or Milkor.
Anyhow, as I said we'll discontinue this discussion. Clearly, there are different opinions to be had on the subject of suits, but if you looked at my suggestion you would know that it isn't about suits, and rather about making sure that no weapons/suits are off-limit as it creates an unfair playing field.
Rick Johnson wrote:
Suits are what made people leave, they got tired that someone who paid 5 euros for a booster can suddenly beat the best player in the game in a 1v1 because he has a suit. Its mind blowing how much of an advantage suits give you , you say that milkors and m202s could also be classified as op because it gives you an advantage but the advantage it gives you also has counterplay , you can use an m202 but if i come out and 1 tap you , you are out. With a suit you just equip it and you suddenly gain 10x on your health and armor stats which means instead of 1 shot you need to take 10. Thats without mentioning the abilities and speed you gain.
So no the advantage is not comparable.
RFlex wrote:
Rick Johnson wrote:
Does anyone remember crafting an M202 in 2014-2015 and being so psyched about it? Imagine that with suits, amazing.
That was because it was hella hard to get money to buy/craft one of them.
Suits of any kind give a really big advantage to whoever is wearing one and therefore shouldnt be put on the "classic" server
If you make a classic server and decide to put suits on it then whats the point of the server? Its literally like the normal one. People want the suits removed because the difference of a guy with a psg and a guy with a jugg and psg is extremely big.
I want to raids and defences to be about skill again not about whoever has a suit or not.
Suits of any kind give a really big advantage to whoever is wearing one and therefore shouldnt be put on the "classic" server
If you make a classic server and decide to put suits on it then whats the point of the server? Its literally like the normal one. People want the suits removed because the difference of a guy with a psg and a guy with a jugg and psg is extremely big.
I want to raids and defences to be about skill again not about whoever has a suit or not.
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It's up to the community to decide whether or not they want suits on the server. My suggestion isn't exclusive to suits, though, and could be applied to any special item, so your reply is somewhat pointless in that regard.
I'm assessing a larger issue on the server at the moment, which is: new players find it extremely difficult to catch up with the older & seasoned players. I don't think the mere existence of suits is what was the downfall of the original servers, it has more to do with the fact that there is legitimately no feasible way for new players to gain the competitive edge the wealthy and experienced players have over them.
Items like M202 and Milkor could also be considered overpowered and reduce the level of skill needed to raid a base, yet they made combat more fun on the server. The same could go for suits as long as there are multiple ways of obtaining them that doesn't include getting lucky while opening a case or paying money to obtain them through boosters.
Also, PSGs can already defeat Juggernaut Suits (pre debuff, at least) if you're genuinely skilled. Assuming some changes to the suits are made to make them less overpowered, your proposition would become less and less of an issue, and overall would render suits to be on the same level as, for instance, M202s were in 2015.
I believe I included in my idea that we could have lesser versions of different suits as well, meaning that as a new player you could easily obtain a suit that, while it may not be as good as a Juggernaut suit, gives you enough edge to have virtually levelled grounds in combat.
Overall, I agree that skill should be more largely involved in the outcome of a raid or defence, although I'd like to see an attempt to balance the suits as well as creating ways for people to obtain them through normal means before we go straight towards the option of removing them entirely.
I think we should remove a lot of the items that are generally over-powered in the context of raiding/defending a base, such as gluons, tguns, electric rounds, etc. However, I'm opposed to the idea of having a server that serves to be exactly like the 500 others on the server list (by which I mean, basic weapons only).
Anyhow, I'll be going to sleep now. I'll come back to you tomorrow if you have anything else to add onto your initial response.
I'm assessing a larger issue on the server at the moment, which is: new players find it extremely difficult to catch up with the older & seasoned players. I don't think the mere existence of suits is what was the downfall of the original servers, it has more to do with the fact that there is legitimately no feasible way for new players to gain the competitive edge the wealthy and experienced players have over them.
Items like M202 and Milkor could also be considered overpowered and reduce the level of skill needed to raid a base, yet they made combat more fun on the server. The same could go for suits as long as there are multiple ways of obtaining them that doesn't include getting lucky while opening a case or paying money to obtain them through boosters.
Also, PSGs can already defeat Juggernaut Suits (pre debuff, at least) if you're genuinely skilled. Assuming some changes to the suits are made to make them less overpowered, your proposition would become less and less of an issue, and overall would render suits to be on the same level as, for instance, M202s were in 2015.
I believe I included in my idea that we could have lesser versions of different suits as well, meaning that as a new player you could easily obtain a suit that, while it may not be as good as a Juggernaut suit, gives you enough edge to have virtually levelled grounds in combat.
Overall, I agree that skill should be more largely involved in the outcome of a raid or defence, although I'd like to see an attempt to balance the suits as well as creating ways for people to obtain them through normal means before we go straight towards the option of removing them entirely.
I think we should remove a lot of the items that are generally over-powered in the context of raiding/defending a base, such as gluons, tguns, electric rounds, etc. However, I'm opposed to the idea of having a server that serves to be exactly like the 500 others on the server list (by which I mean, basic weapons only).
Anyhow, I'll be going to sleep now. I'll come back to you tomorrow if you have anything else to add onto your initial response.
Suits are what made people leave, they got tired that someone who paid 5 euros for a booster can suddenly beat the best player in the game in a 1v1 because he has a suit. Its mind blowing how much of an advantage suits give you , you say that milkors and m202s could also be classified as op because it gives you an advantage but the advantage it gives you also has counterplay , you can use an m202 but if i come out and 1 tap you , you are out. With a suit you just equip it and you suddenly gain 10x on your health and armor stats which means instead of 1 shot you need to take 10. Thats without mentioning the abilities and speed you gain.
So no the advantage is not comparable.
I don't think I'll continue the discussion on whether or not suits should be on the servers. After all, that's essentially what this entire thread is here to decide. I do, however, think there should be some optimization to how you obtain the items as that IS the reason people stopped playing on the server.
I've been staff on the SSRP servers for roughly a year, and a member for more than 4, and I can't say I've seen the servers dip to our current player count for the duration that it has now. People actually enjoy playing with suits, that's evident, and the main issue is that some people aren't able to get the suits in question, driving them away from the servers.
You even bring up yourself that someone with five bucks could essentially demolish anyone regardless of skill simply because they have an overpowered item. If we remove the paywall and improve the ways of obtaining the items it will be an even playing field because anyone can obtain virtually any item they want, thus allowing you to have the resources to counter a raid using a suit and vice-versa.
Also, M202 vs. PSG would not be fair. Blowing up the walls of someone's base and subsequently killing all the players inside the base can easily be done and would completely void any sense of fairness if it weren't for the fact that everyone could obtain items like the M202 or Milkor.
Anyhow, as I said we'll discontinue this discussion. Clearly, there are different opinions to be had on the subject of suits, but if you looked at my suggestion you would know that it isn't about suits, and rather about making sure that no weapons/suits are off-limit as it creates an unfair playing field.
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