1.I don't think so, I think the other person started it, but I'm going off of sound memory.
2.I think KOSes were fired from both sides, hard to say but I'm 70% sure that CeeZee was first to call the KOS.
3.I believe The other person shot 1st, CeeZee called KOS and shot back, then the other person KOSed CeeZee mid fight.
4. Yes
5. Yes.

Yes, these situations are bad, which as I said, I think caused the new meta of calling the KOS mid fight. It gives a slight advantage, But nowhere does it say that it negates the KOS that was placed secondly from a little while ago, there was a big incident (ironically, with me included) where a traitor called a KOS on an innocent (person A), another innocent (person killed the person A but was then killed by another person entirely, person C.

Person C was warned for RDM despite killing someone who killed an innocent. Who at the time, followed a KOS.

This caused havoc in the server at the time, and because that rule was completely out of control and presented obvious flaws, me and another admin at the time, The Lonely Dodo decided to show just how flawed it was. A T sat in the T room and called a KOS on every person on the server that was innocent, making everyone KOSing everyone viable without any precautions.

After a meeting with both me and Lonely Dodo, the initial situation I believe was overturned.

Long story short, yes, this is a gray area in terms of decision making. I can see the argument from CeeZee, sadly he can't see mine. In short, I more than strongly believe I shouldn't be warned, maybe at least a chat opened saying "Try not to do that again" or something along those lines.

But there was nothing.
He immediately took his own report and then warned me, then was in assistance of deciding my appeal. It's almost obvious he did it out of saltyness for me killing him. Which should never happen. A staff member, especially with his ranking, should always remain objective and put staffing above playing at all times.

EDIT : Also for the minus karma, sorry i hurt your feelings in 6 hours I'll bring it right back up for you and give you a lollypop with a bandaid <33

[quote][quote=".uzi" post=1101616][quote="Yikes Svanz Comet" post=1101579] Clearly not in this case. Both of them Were KOSed. That doesn't nullify anything, it makes them both KOSed, which they were, which I said many times in my posts. And nowhere in the rules does it say it "nullifies it". The meta is calling a KOS on the person you're shooting, be you traitor or innocent. It gives you an advantage in either case. [/quote] I'm gonna glaze over the rest of your reply and instead focus on this.. I do understand where you're coming from and honestly it's easy to understand where all the confusion is coming from. Personally this is the critical part for me (taken from your first appeal): [quote] The other person in question, TheDooDaa #SubscribeToPewDiePie, in voice-chat said "CeeZee is a traitor, KOS CeeZee" at only which point I shot CeeZee because he was KOSed. [/quote] CeeZee claims that he KOSed this fella first, which is *probably* why CeeZee was KOSed in return. I say probably cause nobody has any damn proof lol. But from the limited visibility of what actually happened by reading your appeal (including the screenshot of the Steam group chat) it seems like (feel free to correct the summary): 1. CeeZee tried killing TheDooDaa and placed a KOS on him in tandem 2. Gunfight takes places 3. TheDooDaa retaliated and placed a KOS on CeeZee - reason uncertain 4. TheDooDaa supposedly leaves the gunfight - duration unknown 5. You killed CeeZee with the intention of finding TheDooDaa afterwards From my previous experience as a former Head Admin on TTT, these kind of situations caused the most problems which is why I personally despise the 'joining gunfights' rule. I can't really say much more but it definitely looks like CeeZee and TheDooDaa were engaging in combat in some way, it's not easy to tell what you mean by 'leaving' the gun fight.. did TheDooDaa manage to completely run away or was it just an attempt before you intervened? Also ty for the minus karma, I must've rustled your jimmies :([/quote][/quote] 1.I don't think so, I think the other person started it, but I'm going off of sound memory. 2.I think KOSes were fired from both sides, hard to say but I'm 70% sure that CeeZee was first to call the KOS. 3.I believe The other person shot 1st, CeeZee called KOS and shot back, then the other person KOSed CeeZee mid fight. 4. Yes 5. Yes. Yes, these situations are bad, which as I said, I think caused the new meta of calling the KOS mid fight. It gives a slight advantage, [b]But nowhere does it say that it negates the KOS that was placed secondly[/b] from a little while ago, there was a big incident (ironically, with me included) where a traitor called a KOS on an innocent (person A), another innocent (person B) killed the person A but was then killed by another person entirely, person C. Person C was warned for RDM despite killing someone who killed an innocent. Who at the time, followed a KOS. This caused havoc in the server at the time, and because that rule was completely out of control and presented obvious flaws, me and another admin at the time, The Lonely Dodo decided to show just how flawed it was. A T sat in the T room and called a KOS on every person on the server that was innocent, making everyone KOSing everyone viable without any precautions. After a meeting with both me and Lonely Dodo, the initial situation I believe was overturned. Long story short, yes, this is a gray area in terms of decision making. I can see the argument from CeeZee, sadly he can't see mine. In short, I more than strongly believe I shouldn't be warned, maybe at least a chat opened saying "Try not to do that again" or something along those lines. [b]But there was nothing.[/b] He immediately took his own report and then warned me, then was in assistance of deciding my appeal. It's almost obvious he did it out of saltyness for me killing him. Which should never happen. A staff member, especially with his ranking, should always remain objective and put staffing above playing at all times. EDIT : Also for the minus karma, sorry i hurt your feelings in 6 hours I'll bring it right back up for you and give you a lollypop with a bandaid <33 [spoiler]I can't remember if it was you or Richard I -karma'd on. I think it was Richard. Have some thicker skin, that's 3 times you complained about your feelings, Christ[/spoiler]