TOPIC: The use of misleading / racist words

The key to this is why can’t people control themselves enough not to use an offensive word? Regardless of its context? If you can’t control yourself enough to not being able to say it your probably not old enough to say it anyways.

Also why have any rules? RDM isn’t end of the world no one “really” gets hurt nobody “really” dies so why have that rule? I’ve seen very few communities that are popular that just let people have their way.

RubyTheSlump wrote: Difference is I like being a cunt to people I have no respect for, if your name was Raeker for example I would have politely disagreed with you but since I have no clue who you are or what relevance you hold the only exposure I got to you was your dumbass point so I have no respect for you so I'll happily be a cunt to you all day long

RedPowder wrote:
Understandable

Just because you and other have become desensitised to such words does not make them any more acceptable, if we allow people to use these words even with context taken into account people looking in on the community will feel that it is not the right place for them and not feel welcomed to join.

Sally wrote: zarp is full of memer cucks that love saying the word, more people would be dissatisfied with how severe the repercussion are.
i dont see why zarp is pleasing the minority in this case, if we had a vote i could bet my life on the fact that people would want the freedom to use their speech as they wish.
why please the minority.

AliceX wrote:
Zarp’s got an obligation to prohibit hate speech and incitement. And restrictions can also be justified if they protect specific public interest or the rights and reputations of others.

In this discussion it doesn't matter whether or not it is "wrong" to say racist and discriminatory terms, or that it is "right" to have a freedom of speech.

There are rules and policies in this community that will have to be upheld, regardless of people's personal opinions. There are plenty of people in the staff team that do not get offended by racist slang, yet if you say it near them you will still be punished regardless.

Context does not matter. As a community we have decided to be accessible to everyone. If we'd allow racist terms such as these, it would hold negative effects on those that do not appreciate it. We would withhold a certain group of people to not feel comfortable in the community, whilst that is not the case the other way around.

There is no "right" or "wrong" here. Only facts and rules, and people that can seemingly not withhold themselves from not following them.

When people post songs with racist words they tell you before hand, I feel it should be the same.

Red_ wrote: Speaking from a Teamspeak perspective, if you play music in a spacer with everyone's permission to play music as well as everyone's permission to play songs that contain racist slur, then it is allowed. It would not be allowed in a public channel, as anyone could randomly join in there, but in spacers it's practically fine.

Raeker wrote:
That's why I feel like with the picture with jenga should be allowed as long as there is a spoiler

RedPowder wrote: i cant be asked to respond in full, but whos the obligation to?
i doubt your sincerity calling it a public interest as well, i would much rather say its private interest.
and if we are going on about rights, what about the right to speech, which i would claim is just as important.
i think it goes without saying, that there is obviously a line as to what you can say.
that line would be also different for every individual, so the consistency of punishing speech would wary greatly.
i would go much more in depth, but i feel that my words are wasted, nothing will get implemented and i have lost my 5 mins that i will never get back.

Red_ wrote: I don't know whether this is valid, but this thread has shown that it is apparently allowed? I really don't know, I don't see how a spoiler properly warns people not to open it if they don't want to, but it should be allowed if it's allowed on this thread.

AliceX wrote:
The obligation is to the community, the obligation to the people who’s offended by it.

“Freedom of speech" does not mean you get to say whatever you want without consequences. It simply means the government can't stop you from saying it. It also means OTHERS get to say what THEY think about your words.

Well if you can’t even be bothered to get your point across how do you expect anyone to take you serious? Why even bother posting? Also seems kinda of odd some random person just wants to be a racist for no other reason besides you just want it.

At the end of the day it’s really simple; YOU have the right to leave if you don’t like the rules and to be honest I’m not to sure why people would want you here anyways if that’s how you want to speak.

”that line would be also different for every individual, so the consistency of punishing speech would wary greatly” - AliceX <— So depending on your rank you can get away with more? No that would be to easy I bet you mean it depends on who’s saying it so if you’re a complete racist one day you should only get told not to say it but if another member says it they should be punished ?

In my opinion the rules surrounding racism should be made dependant on context for the simple reason that it is extremely unlikely that a song playing in a public channel containing the n word excluding the hard r suffix would actually offend someone that it should offend. Anyone who claims they are offended are just looking for an excuse to be offended. With Hip Hop being the most popular genre of music in the US and a large number of those songs containing frequent use of the n word it's become clear to anyone who's actually educated that in the context of a song it is perfectly acceptable to use the n word. Obviously lyrics containing blatant racism or the n word with a pronounced -er suffix should be against the rules since they are actually racist but playing a hip hop song containing the n word without a hard r ending should be perfectly acceptable as they are not racist in any way.

Raeker wrote: ]
Then if TS staff come in they don't ask if everyone had permission even if they did but then they ban or mute the person playing

bump

If you say something racist it's racist end of.

Morgan wrote: join my ts you'll hear what racism is my friend

RedPowder wrote: Redpowder, it may be sad but it's true, higher ranked members get away with the disrespectful comments, no offense but i would take as an example sometimes our head-admins and above, not stating any of the owners as they don't really do it as often

Ascenesion wrote: But usage of the n word without the -er ending in a song is not racist but it still gets punished under the racism rule so not really "end of"