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[TTT] Magik's Ban Appeal 3 months 6 days ago #896112

Name - What is your in-game name? Magik

STEAM-ID - What is your STEAM-ID? STEAM_0:1:109635735

Admins Name - Who banned you/who might it be? Harry RDM squatta

Reason - What is/might be the reason that you got banned? Racism

Server - What server did you get banned from? TTT

Time - How long were you banned for? 2160 minutes

Story - What happened? I called a guy "Black" and I also got rdm'd and said "You fucking black person" and then got banned

Proof - Any proof on a video/screenshot that clearly show what happened? no

Extra Information - Any thing you think may be relevant to your ban. I really don't see how this is racism but, I'm really sorry for it. I didn't think calling someone black would cause any harm and I apologize for it
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[TTT] Magik's Ban Appeal 3 months 6 days ago #896113

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[TTT] Magik's Ban Appeal 3 months 6 days ago #896138

tbf it was most likely the way you used it which can be offensive because of the way you said it
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[TTT] Magik's Ban Appeal 3 months 6 days ago #896140

Box0 wrote:
tbf it was most likely the way you used it which can be offensive because of the way you said it

Honestly don't see how that's offensive, I stated that he's black
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[TTT] Magik's Ban Appeal 3 months 6 days ago #896141

Allow me to compare this to another ban on SSRP a while ago, where a user said "Die in Hell, black man." In my opinion that is not racist, because 'black man' is simply added onto the insult 'Die in Hell'. It doesn't state that all black men should die in Hell, nor does it have any racial connotations.

However, I do believe that "You fucking black man" can be seen as racist. Whilst in the earlier example "black man" is simply added onto the insult, here the insult altogether is the fact that the user is supposedly black (or isn't, but you get the idea). The whole remark exists around the existence of black people and their race as a whole and you're using it to insult someone.

Although they're fairly similar situations, I do feel like this one is actually racist, because the whole insult is you insulting a specific race.
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[TTT] Magik's Ban Appeal 3 months 6 days ago #896142

Raeker wrote:
Allow me to compare this to another ban on SSRP a while ago, where a user said "Die in Hell, black man." In my opinion that is not offensive, because 'black man' is simply added onto the insult 'Die in Hell'. It doesn't state that all black men should die in Hell, nor does it have any racial connotations.

However, I do believe that "You fucking black man" can be seen as racist. Whilst in the earlier example "black man" is simply added onto the insult, here the insult altogether is the fact that the user is supposedly black (or isn't, but you get the idea). The whole remark exists around the existence of black people and their race as a whole and you're using it to insult someone.

Although they're fairly simular situations, I do feel like this one is actually racist, because the whole insult is you insulting a specific race.

Uhh yeah what raeker said,
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[TTT] Magik's Ban Appeal 3 months 6 days ago #896159

What you said is not 'extremely' racist but given the negative context you added to it, it could be seen as racism and the ban is valid. Seen as you are sorry for your actions and made the effort to make an appeal, I could see this getting accepted, but that does mean you did nothing wrong
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[TTT] Magik's Ban Appeal 3 months 6 days ago #896160

I was present when you were banned, and prior to your ban you constantly were being disrespectful and you were posing links to a racist song in chat. Imo you were skating on thon ice and you should have been punished.
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[TTT] Magik's Ban Appeal 3 months 6 days ago #896161

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I was present when you were banned, and prior to your ban you constantly were being disrespectful and you were posing links to a racist song in chat. Imo you were skating on thon ice and you should have been punished.
Well that explains the story a little better
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[TTT] Magik's Ban Appeal 3 months 6 days ago #896162

MattorS wrote:
I was present when you were banned, and prior to your ban you constantly were being disrespectful and you were posing links to a racist song in chat. Imo you were skating on thon ice and you should have been punished.

So you are just gonna lie as staff on here? I never posted a racist song in the chat, the song I posted was this :

please learn some facts and don't talk shit about stuff you don't know
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[TTT] Magik's Ban Appeal 3 months 6 days ago #896163

Raeker wrote:
Allow me to compare this to another ban on SSRP a while ago, where a user said "Die in Hell, black man." In my opinion that is not racist, because 'black man' is simply added onto the insult 'Die in Hell'. It doesn't state that all black men should die in Hell, nor does it have any racial connotations.

However, I do believe that "You fucking black man" can be seen as racist. Whilst in the earlier example "black man" is simply added onto the insult, here the insult altogether is the fact that the user is supposedly black (or isn't, but you get the idea). The whole remark exists around the existence of black people and their race as a whole and you're using it to insult someone.

Although they're fairly similar situations, I do feel like this one is actually racist, because the whole insult is you insulting a specific race.
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[TTT] Magik's Ban Appeal 3 months 6 days ago #896171

When creating a report on someone ingame you should not try insult them as it is just disrespectful. Next time when making reports against players try to refrain from insulting and try to keep it relevent to the report.
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[TTT] Magik's Ban Appeal 3 months 6 days ago #896420

Tbh people are just taking this zero tolerance shit too seriously and its making a lot of people into sensitive snowflakes. Calling someone black is not racist hough if it is constant it is punishable. :plussp:
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[TTT] Magik's Ban Appeal 3 months 6 days ago #896467

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Tbh people are just taking this zero tolerance shit too seriously and its making a lot of people into sensitive snowflakes. Calling someone black is not racist hough if it is constant it is punishable. :plussp:

Yeaahhhh but the way he used it was kinda racistttt
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[TTT] Magik's Ban Appeal 3 months 6 days ago #896472

Box0 wrote:
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Tbh people are just taking this zero tolerance shit too seriously and its making a lot of people into sensitive snowflakes. Calling someone black is not racist hough if it is constant it is punishable. :plussp:

Yeaahhhh but the way he used it was kinda racistttt
The thing is, when someone says it about a black person , that is just what everyone is against, not once have i seen someone be banned for racial slurs against white people, if he said the same thing but about a white person he most probably wouldn't be punished, acknowldeging someone's race is not punishable.
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[TTT] Magik's Ban Appeal 3 months 6 days ago #896476

While I am still trying to get in contact with Harry I would like to mention that in my opinion what Magik said wasn't ban worthy. It is indeed harassment but it's not discriminatory or racist in any way, therefore, the no tolerance policy doesn't apply. I will attempt to remove Magik's ban but keep it in the rap sheet because a punishment was fit just not a ban.
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[TTT] Magik's Ban Appeal 3 months 6 days ago #896486

Nick0GR wrote:
While I am still trying to get in contact with Harry I would like to mention that in my opinion what Magik said wasn't ban worthy. It is indeed harassment but it's not discriminatory or racist in any way, therefore, the no tolerance policy doesn't apply. I will attempt to remove Magik's ban but keep it in the rap sheet because a punishment was fit just not a ban.
In the original post, it did state that disrespect and harassment is included in the zero tolerance policy, so technically yes the policy does apply to this, however I agree the ban was harsh
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[TTT] Magik's Ban Appeal 3 months 6 days ago #896487

To support my post above, “The moment a user resorts to harassing, disrespecting or discriminating they are no longer under protection of the ethos hence giving way for the current enforcement.” So in a way this ban was valid, but not required
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[TTT] Magik's Ban Appeal 3 months 5 days ago #896599

Well I think what Harry forgot to mention is that this was his 2nd time saying it therefore Harry banned as I was there when it happened
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[TTT] Magik's Ban Appeal 3 months 5 days ago #896612

Seargent44 wrote:
Well I think what Harry forgot to mention is that this was his 2nd time saying it therefore Harry banned as I was there when it happened

I never got a verbal from Harry? I just got a ban straight away
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