TOPIC: [SSRP] Warn appeal - Sinz

Name - What is your in-game name?
Sinz
STEAM-ID - What is your STEAM-ID?
STEAM_0:0:3818233
Admins Name - Who banned you/who might it be?
Richard
Reason - What is/might be the reason that you got banned?
STEAM_0:0:3818233 punished by Richard (STEAM_0:0:92009195). Warned on 29/09/2024 - 10:49:38 for NLR
Server - What server did you get banned from?
s1
Story - What happened?
So I know that Richard was in the cinema, so I placed a tactical insertion in front of the elevator at the cinema to avoid being killed sneakily. After Richard killed me, I respawned in front of the elevator at the cinema, which is close to the cinema, so it’s in the same district if we get into the details. Then I killed him, and he claims 'NLR' (New Life Rule). However, the NLR rule generally means 'New Life Rule,' but if you’re revived with a defib or have a tactical insertion, this rule doesn't apply, and you can continue playing your last life.

That means, as a hitman killing the mayor, Richard argues that since it's not in the same district, NLR applies. I don't understand that logic because, in my view, I had a tactical insertion not far from the market district, which is the main center near the cinema. Since it's coded to be in a different part of the map, Richard claims it's not the same district, but logically, it is in the same district since it's located in the market. This allowed me to place the tactical insertion right in front of the cinema elevator. That's my point of view, but Richard had a different interpretation, arguing that if it's not in the same district, NLR applies. This doesn't make any sense considering the tactical insertion itself.
Proof - Any proof on a video/screenshot that clearly show what happened?
medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/iMchNWXi...MSw3U2osMjE1MDM5OTEs
Extra information:
I am sure that Richard did not treat it just as it should be because it is very mean and deceitful to pass for NLR when the clip shows well what happened and it is rather by of the rage that Richard acts in this way since he lost 12 hours as a consecutive mayor and that it annoyed him and rubs for a thing as mean as it is useless when that kill was valid and no rule was breaking on this situation
And he is always obliged to have the opinion not of himself but of another person like what he must be influenced by others and not by himself to evolve as staff because not respect these responsibilities and always count on these higher members because for them, some are sure values

emil can't handle ofc

Story:
TL;DR: I placed a tactical insertion near the cinema, allowing me to respawn and kill Richard after he killed me. Richard claims the "New Life Rule" (NLR) applies because it’s not in the same district, but I argue that NLR doesn’t apply since I used a tactical insertion, and the cinema is logically in the same district. Richard's interpretation seems inconsistent with how the tactical insertion works.

Extra information:
TL;DR: Richard is using the NLR claim out of anger because he lost his 12-hour mayor streak, despite the kill being valid and no rules being broken. His reaction seems driven by frustration, and he tends to rely on others' opinions instead of making his own decisions, showing a lack of responsibility as a staff member.

ItsDonny wrote:
You can also add that other districts which are frequently use as water fall and also indus to newexton placed their tact in a different place and yet it is allowed huh?
Exemple:

Why did you disregard the clear NLR warning at the top of your screen?

Mr. Richard wrote:
If we all have to trust the system then logic, I could tell you that everyone would be banned for nothing hmm

ItsDonny wrote:

Hmm I am not frustrated nor angry, couldn't care less about mayor time, just enforcing the rules. and I don't tend to rely on other's opinions, I rather collect a second opinion from a higher up to make sure I do not accuse a player wrongfully showing responsibility and not making decisions on a whim.

sinzz wrote:
So we are supposed to ignore the clearly defined NLR zones and server rules? The tactical insertion needs to be positioned in the same district as the person you are raiding.

Close =/= same district

By your (flawed) logic I could place a tac in one district, raid someone in another district and argue it's the same thing just because it was 'close' (whatever your subjective interpretation of that word means). You died in Cinema and respawned in Bestfield Mall (where your tac was), which is a different district/area. A clear violation of the server rules. Why are you trying to loophole?

AfroHat wrote:
So why don't you listen to my point of view and don't make you want to have staff? It is as if you did not even have to listen to what I told you and to enter just for a coding instead of a context because it is easy to act just because we see on the logs which is written and not the facts what happened what you did not do

Mr. Richard wrote:
"It is not an excuse, I am simply intelligent not to place a tact in the middle of his area, which would prevent me from doing my job. I did not put it in the cinema because, according to the Rules, my placement is valid and respects the standards of why it is not to be done anything other than that. Because it is very close.

So stop base you simply because it's not the same district because that's what you base yourself by writing your arguments and I can garrant you that you run out because I show you the opposite and I don't base myself On that thank you

sinzz wrote:
I'd be more than happy to respond to this if I actually understood anything you just said. How is it that your English is getting progressively worse after 7 years of being in this community?

Mr. Richard wrote:
just gonna say the tact has always been a subject of debate as to its use. Its operation is simple: you place it and you have no NLR, that's all. The way I placed it does not justify A NLR or other misuse, that all I wanted to say

I would like to add that, since I had no prior warning, this situation could have been easily resolved with a simple reminder. The problem here could have been treated more seriously than a simple point of view. The accusation against me stems from the establishment of a tactical insertion near the district, while the accuser claims NLR. However, this NLR complaint does not apply, because it was caused by the system, and my use of tact respected the mechanisms of the game. The way this situation is managed seems confusing, and I think it requires consideration more thoughtful of how these cases must be treated.
If this context is accepted, hela means this in the future, we no longer clearly determine whether a location is valid or not, using the examples that I have stated on different lies. Céla would create an ambiguity that would make the rules of the rules difficult.
Because in the rules there are gray areas which are still from the point of view of the staff which manages this and it is problematic I noticed this in the past

asked an old admin from this pov what he tho and he answered this :

This is some crazy effort for a warn

menameisemil wrote:
it's not about a warn it's about in general and that warn is false anyway so

sinzz wrote:
Ah yes - "Here's an opinion from a former admin who I lied to about the context of the situation"





sinzz wrote:
So you're insinuating that you should have been verbally warned instead of warned, yet you claim you broke no rules, so what's that about?

menameisemil wrote: Crazy effort for a hit too

I thought tactical insertions were to prolong raid timers, not openly break New Life Rule? The rules do state that is the only time the rule can be ignored outside of job rules.

SSRP Server Rules wrote: SSRP Server Rules

Sally wrote:
The tact in general as I said and I will repeat it is used to stay in the same life in the fact that this nlr is spawn in the cinema has no connection with me since I had a tact so it's IN GENERAL is not only for raids but also in general to continue a fight or any other

Or if you admit that the cinema was we will say occuped by the mayor, that is to say that it based in the cinema he can't do that since it's not allowed at all to base in there for printers , mines , or any form of base in there

Mr. Richard wrote:
he clearly said there is nothing wrong in there and after told richard opinion he said there was to be in the same district so what's the matter he clearly said that I didn't nlred so ?

The fact that the game has generated an NLR does not apply to me since I had already placed a tact. This allows me to continue my current life, in accordance with the mechanics of the game, and the NLR should therefore not disqualify me in this situation.

And in addition, if it was really a rule breaking, I should face a talk instead of punishment, but we do not even know if it is valid or not. He should have been managed more clearly without further confusion, so stop acting stupid.

wtf.