TOPIC: [TTT] Vodka4Gaben's Demotion Appeal

Nina wrote:

Vodka4Gaben wrote:
I think you misunderstood what I said.

I don't really care too much about what exactly it was you said, I'm just wondering why you'd make up a lie rather than just telling us right away that you don't want to share personal information.

Like I said I can completley understand that you'd like to keep certaint things for yourself and there is no issue with that at all.

Harry RDM Squatta wrote:
He might still be rich? Even if he isn't what difference does it make? Personally I wouldn't buy anyone anything from zarp so that last part if daft. And so what if he has a holiday or not.

You are literally some next mong it's the internet if he wants to make certain things up go keep his information a little more secure let him.

You all obviously weren't bothered by his lies until now even if it is all lies. Theres simply no need to treat someone this different suddenly because the guy is cautious over the internet.

House wrote:

A Good Pianist wrote:

Official was before you went on inactivity. I ain't gonna throw stuff at you about what you lied about and what not but you should of been honest/just said you don't want to tell us. Could of prevented a lot of drama that's going on rn.

Best of luck with your appeal.

Nina wrote:

Vodka4Gaben wrote: You posted it before the meeting sure, but you still didn't get your time with the 6 other days you had before the meeting whilst playing other games if I remember correctly, it was only really an issue because of you saying that you'd get it. Maybe it seems like nitpicking on it's own but like I said before I do not wish to delve into the other parts of this story here..

Nina wrote: Sorry but that just seems nitpicking and like you’re TRYING to demote him, he was just taking a break dag nabbit

Imagine doing/saying all of this insted of just getting 3 frickin' hours during the whole week lmao

Richard Hoffmann wrote:
If you don’t have anything relevant to say; don’t say it.

I haven’t been following this situation too well since CeeZee was the one leading the charge I guess (and borderline stalking your ass (but that’s a different story)) but I’ve heard little of what happened. I can’t trust someone that lies constantly with any sort of power so I see why the LT demoted you.

To think this entire thing could’ve been avoided if you said “I’m not going to play for a few weeks, I need a break from GMod”

As for this demotion appeal I’m not sure if I’d consider letting you be admin again to be perfectly honest. I don’t want a staff member that lies, a lot. I’ll be home for the next LT meeting so I’ll see what others think then.

I'd just like to add on to this, since I got CeeZee to let me look into the allegations about "lying about having cancer" in the past. CeeZee mentioned that there is no proof that this was the case, however, based on when I looked into this, there is enough "evidence" for us to quite confidently understand the full situation.

I spoke with Vodka about the fact that I had seen him mention on the forums before that he had been suffering from cancer, curious due to the inconsistencies mentioned by CeeZee, and also the fact that several members of the Lead Team seemed to be very sceptical about it. Of course, I approached the subject carefully, since these were just allegations at this point with no solid proof.

What I discovered was definitely further lies. Someone who has cancer and suffers from it for a long time will know exactly what type of cancer they have, and the treatment / remission should line up with this. I did some further research on top of my own knowledge to discover that there are two main types of cancer: chronic and acute. Specifically, children (usually) suffer from acute lymphoblastic leukemia or chronic lymphocytic leukemia (The myeloid counterparts are usually found in adults).

Given what Vodka had said about his remission time, I asked what type of leukemia he had, question if it was ALL (acute lymphoblastic leukemia), to which he responded by telling me it was not ALL, but lymphoblastic leukemia instead. Of course, I was naturally confused by this, given that I had not seen anything on types of leukemia which were not acute or chronic, so I asked if he meant ALL, giving the full name as acute lymphoblastic leukemia, to which he also said no, stating that it was not acute, but also that he was glad he didn't have chronic leukemia.

I attempted to ask about how this was possible, stating that I had thought leukemia was either acute or chronic, and that lymphoblastic leukemia was always acute, at which point Vodka told me his phone was low and he would be back 15 minutes later due to needing to "take a walk with his girlfriend" - this was on Wednesday, and I never heard back about this. Of course there is some potential that there was some misunderstanding with this whole situation, but the general scepticism to begin with, the inconsistencies with the story and incorrect information about something so serious really doesn't look good.

I for one don't care at all if you want to lie about where you live, although lying consistently about it does seem strange to me, but of course I can't know your true intentions for it, nor does lying about your location actively harm anyone at all. I don't understand why you would lie about where you were going on holiday either, however again, there's no active harm done by this.

The main issue that I think the Lead Team sees with the lying about where you live and your holiday is that, if you're willing to lie about everything rather than just tell us that you would rather not say things, then it gives the impression that you are prepared to just lie to our faces about anything that suits you. This means that it becomes very difficult to trust you with staff related activities. What if you make a mistake ingame and choose to lie about it rather than telling the truth?

I'm going to be leaving this thread open for a little longer for any further discussion that people would like to have, however I will be keeping an eye out to ensure that it does not turn into drama - if it does, then I will be locking the post until the time of the meeting next week.

You admitting yourself that you lie when you feel insecure literally validates your whole demotion, It's in the TTT Leadteam's best interest to keep the staff teams reputation on good terms with the community so this demotion is deserved. I personally think it's best for this demotion to stay in place and you should really work on the lying problem. Also I'm not saying you are lying about having leukemia but if you are you should seriously rethink what you are doing because lying about something like that is just wrong on so many levels.

I don't know the full backstory of the situation, nor do I want to be involved, but Vodka has been staff for as long as I have, if not longer and from what I've seen he's a great guy.

Sisky wrote: Im just gonna assume you didnt read CeeZees or Xnators response.