TOPIC: TTT is broken.

EMP wrote:
Can you tell me why are you so disgustingly lenient towards hackers? Why are you defending them and giving us obstacles to punish them?

1. We can't handle it, we have to be little babies and ask the LT to come on and handle them
2. APPARENTLY WHAT DODO SHOWED IS NOT PROOF ENOUGH
3. The policy is to KICK and then ban? Are you kidding me?

What's. The. Deal.? Do you WANT hackers? Why are there so many stupid steps and retarded ass backward policies?

If you give us a normal explanation, sure, but this dumb shit is hard to explain rationally.

You give them A TON of unneeded chances to stop hacking.

I've recently banned a person who was hacking - he used aimlock and some sort of spinbot, killed over 10 people and made 8 reports. In each report, he spammed "citizenhack", admitting to his cheats. After I ban him, I get in trouble from a TTT super admin, saying I'm breaking policies.

It was more than obvious he was cheating. He was admitting to cheats. He didn't regret them, because after his slay for "Mass RDM", He said "Fuck, I can't kill all of you anymore because of my karma".

Why do you give them SO MANY CHANCES? They are spinbotting, or aimlocking without hiding it, yet your retarded policies make it so they get loopholes and shortcuts to not being punished.

In most other communities, they would've been long gone, after which, they just move to another server they can terrorise, it doesn't matter to them.

Here, we need to:
1. See that they're hacking, as dodo did.
2. Gather enough evidence to support his claims.
3. Contact a LEAD TEAM MEMBER, which in itself, good luck with that
3.1 - That completely ruins workflow for the attending staff members
4. He has to come on, and check his anti-cheats to gather enough evidence
5. KICK him and sit there and wait until he comes back (most instances end there, after, what, only a minimum of 10 minutes of an aimlocker mass RDMer in the server? And don't try saying "You should punish him for RDM and not hacking" because we need to let him run to gather enough evidence
6. IF he comes back, only then is he banned. That's an IF. Most others just move on to another community after they see the disconnect message.

Why put your own playerbase through this torture to give opportunities to hackers?

Bumping for that reply specifically for higher ups

Hello everyone

To be honest, it's true that we can feel a bit abandonned in front of some obvious hackers.
I understand your point Dodo, and I think that every staff member in TTT has been wondering at least ONCE how to deal efficiently with hackers.

Funny thing is, for me, in more than 4 months of being LT member, I have only caught one hacker, and I fucked up regarding the policies. An utter failure and disgrace for me.

I will agree that the system is not perfect. However, be aware that we CAN'T have the perfect system and polcies to make the experience on TTT the best, regarding hackers, cheaters and bitches in general.

The reason is simple : we are given, as staff members, some freedom of judgement. Plus, let's be honest. Zarp is very democratic. Staff members are chosen following everyone's vote, anyone can suggest new ideas, and so on.

No one is ever kicked or banned for stupid reasons. And come on, we all know all servers do not work that way !

We have strict but mandatory policies and staff ethos. We ensure that everyone, absolutely EVERYONE spend a good time on our servers.

But this last point, also means that we can't do whatever we like, even when someone is blatantly hacking. We need to vote those kind of things, to be sure that everyone is treated equally. That's how things work here, and I think it is for the best.

I'd rather have this than banning a user because we "think" that he is hacking. Allow this, even for good reasons, and inevitably it will eventually turn wrong and create more problems that it solves.Or having a dictatorian server where I am, as a HA, allowed to ban your ass out of the staff team because of an argument, or just because I don't like you.

That's my opinion. I would love our counter hacking tools to be more effective. But I don't think that TTT is broken. The server is enjoyable and always full.

Have a nice day, everyone.

Chienman wrote:
I agree with most if not all of this, but there is just one flaw in this

Right now admins are allowed to ban if someone Mass RDM's and LTAP's this proof will vanish in 10 rounds and then it will be Admins word against the user

And the small bit of extension in the policy that I was aiming to add is something like this:

When someone is blatantly hacking without any doubt take video evidence of the situation after which you can kick the person for hacking like we would normally proceed. If the user reconnects and continues you can ban him until the next staff meeting where Lead Team will decide the faith of the user. However do mind that false flagging will have consequences on you.

If admins were to follow this there is less room for abuse than in normal ban cases where they are not required to provide any sort of proof

LonelyDodo wrote: Mass RDM can be proven with logs. Hacking cannot be proven with anything serverside except the anticheat, which can only be used if the user is online.

Like I've already stated, there are several users that have supposedly been blatantly hacking that do not use hacks. I recall a particular user last summer called Kana, who was extremely, extremely good. Me and several other LT members suspected them of hacking, but they actually sent me a video of them playing at some point and they did not use any client side modifications that could be considered hacking.

Under this particular rule, Kana would have been banned.

Any staff member that was around at the time will agree with me that that is the worst thing to happen, considering the fact that they became one of the greatest staff members we've had, even managing to get the record of over 1000 reports in a single week.

If we'd allow admins to ban hackers then this will only ruin the server. Trust me, I'm talking from experience.

LonelyDodo wrote: Mass RDM can be proven with logs. Hacking cannot be proven with anything serverside except the anticheat, which can only be used if the user is online.

Like I've already stated, there are several users that have supposedly been blatantly hacking that do not use hacks. I recall a particular user last summer called Kana, who was extremely, extremely good. Me and several other LT members suspected them of hacking, but they actually sent me a video of them playing at some point and they did not use any client side modifications that could be considered hacking.

Under this particular rule, Kana would have been banned.

Any staff member that was around at the time will agree with me that that is the worst thing to happen, considering the fact that they became one of the greatest staff members we've had, even managing to get the record of over 1000 reports in a single week.

If we'd allow admins to ban hackers then this will only ruin the server. Trust me, I'm talking from experience.