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[SSRP] Stricter On Hacking 6 years 8 months ago #668776

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Suggestion Title: Stricter on Hacking

How would it benefit the server:

Well first I think we need to look at this issue with a detailed analysis on how things currently work, are they effective, if not, why not, and where to go from there.

Chances are if you've been gaming a while you've probably been tempted to hack or have hacked. While you hack, depending on what game and which way it's being used, it's very fun to do but it's selfish fun. It's fun at the expense of cheating everyone else out of a good time. There is no game to other players at this point, there is no challenge, if a player can use a program and beat you easily at your expense for a few laughs or personal advantage.

Let's tighten our scopes and look at Garry's Mod, on random servers hacking can be pretty funny, it's very much looked down upon though. Here at ZARP especially SSRP, we offer a lot of custom content and incentive to be and play at your best performance in raids, basing, trading, etc. We have over 2,000 unique players joining each day across Servers 1, 2, and 3.

With our current policy, we give players a kick for hacking and if they do it again this is a permanent ban. A good amount of these players don't cheat again, and after getting kicked go on to the next server and repeat the process. This leaves our players having a bad experience, and the offenders leaving with a fun night on their hands. On the other hand, we do have a good amount of players who use these hacks to hide them, using hacks that bypass our anti-cheat and are completely malicious with them.

Unfortunately, these players often do it again somewhere down the line, and I'm sure if you think back you can think of a few examples of players you may remember doing what I've detailed here. All in all, there are two types of hackers I've detailed here. What do they have in common? They negatively affect players experience, and often, don't feel remorse for their actions even though they might say they do.

We need to change this policy to a ban when caught cheating. This gives the player the opportunity to make a heart-felt apology that shows all of us that they're truly sorry for their actions. This weeds out the players coming on blatantly doing this for a laugh as they most likely won't make an appeal and they're kept out from causing trouble until they want to be a productive member in the community, and it also keeps those players that feel remorse for their actions and want to play again by giving them an honest chance to appeal their ban in front of the entire community being able to give their opinion.

I think at the end of the day this will be a logical, productive, and more effective way of dealing with cheaters and will bring us a step closer to bringing a more honest and less cheated experience to our players.

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[SSRP] Stricter On Hacking 6 years 8 months ago #668778

yes please
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[SSRP] Stricter On Hacking 6 years 8 months ago #668780

wat 2k unique? u sure?
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[SSRP] Stricter On Hacking 6 years 8 months ago #668781

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wat 2k unique? u sure?

Positive, I got that figure from Chute actually when we were talking to Jabbe about the Economy.
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[SSRP] Stricter On Hacking 6 years 8 months ago #668784

Morgan wrote:
Therapist wrote:
wat 2k unique? u sure?

Positive, I got that figure from Chute actually when we were talking to Jabbe about the Economy.
Is it constant? Garry's Mod community isn't that big
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[SSRP] Stricter On Hacking 6 years 8 months ago #668786

Therapist wrote:
Morgan wrote:
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wat 2k unique? u sure?

Positive, I got that figure from Chute actually when we were talking to Jabbe about the Economy.
Is it constant? Garry's Mod community isn't that big

Yup, that's the average. Garry's Mod is also very popular:



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[SSRP] Stricter On Hacking 6 years 8 months ago #668787

anyway :plussp:
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[SSRP] Stricter On Hacking 6 years 8 months ago #668790

I think this is a good idea it would solve a lot of the problems with cheating, so many people cheating nowadays you don't know whos legit or not and it sucks completely
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you always manage to 1 shot us even though you're extremely exposed in the open and you shouldn't really have a chance to kill us. You just make these crazy 1 taps not even Hermione did when he played, and I can tell you he played 18 hours a day at one point.
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[SSRP] Stricter On Hacking 6 years 8 months ago #668817

I mean I'm not too familiar with ZARP's anticheat but I'm sure there are occasionally false positives or detections for things like custom physguns etc. So although I do think that hacking should be a permanent ban first if there are such false positives and detections for non-malicious clientside scripts and the players can't find or can't be bothered to find the forums then that's a player lost. Like I said though I'm not exactly familiar with ZARP's anticheat so I may be wrong.
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[SSRP] Stricter On Hacking 6 years 8 months ago #668818

I agree ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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[SSRP] Stricter On Hacking 6 years 8 months ago #668824

Morgan wrote:
Let's tighten our scopes and look at Garry's Mod, on random servers hacking can be pretty funny, it's very much looked down upon though. Here at ZARP especially SSRP, we offer a lot of custom content and incentive to be and play at your best performance in raids, basing, trading, etc. We have over 2,000 unique players joining each day across Servers 1, 2, and 3.
I stopped reading here, that's a very bad point. It just means this:
It's OK to hack on other servers, but hacking on our servers is probihited
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[SSRP] Stricter On Hacking 6 years 8 months ago #668827

Marcooo wrote:
Morgan wrote:
Let's tighten our scopes and look at Garry's Mod, on random servers hacking can be pretty funny, it's very much looked down upon though. Here at ZARP especially SSRP, we offer a lot of custom content and incentive to be and play at your best performance in raids, basing, trading, etc. We have over 2,000 unique players joining each day across Servers 1, 2, and 3.
I stopped reading here, that's a very bad point. It just means this:
It's OK to hack on other servers, but hacking on our servers is probihited
Why would he care about other servers... As far as I know he's only staff on ZARP.
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[SSRP] Stricter On Hacking 6 years 8 months ago #668830

But how are you supposed to catch hackers if you can't make them admit? If Bob for example got caught for hacking and he would be told he had to make an apology post to get unbanned he would maybe not care as much as he just joined the server. Of course if you have played for a couple of months you should be instabanned and forced to make a post.

I think we can all agree on the fact that experienced hackers and fresh hackers aren't the same thing and they do not have the same intentions. Morgan you put those two groups of people togheter; the ones hacking for a laugher and the ones hacking to gain an advantage.

So to put this again, if you joined for the first day hacking and when you have played for a few months shouldn't have the same punishment. Why? Cause the fresh hacker might be solid to have in the community if he's given a propper chance that concludes the instaban idea. Therefore the ethos should only change to the experienced players hacking, due to them knowing how things work around here.
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[SSRP] Stricter On Hacking 6 years 8 months ago #668832

RealDenis wrote:
I mean I'm not too familiar with ZARP's anticheat but I'm sure there are occasionally false positives or detections for things like custom physguns etc. So although I do think that hacking should be a permanent ban first if there are such false positives and detections for non-malicious clientside scripts and the players can't find or can't be bothered to find the forums then that's a player lost. Like I said though I'm not exactly familiar with ZARP's anticheat so I may be wrong.
All I know ZARP has only screengrab
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[SSRP] Stricter On Hacking 6 years 8 months ago #668841

Therapist wrote:
Morgan wrote:
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wat 2k unique? u sure?

Positive, I got that figure from Chute actually when we were talking to Jabbe about the Economy.
Is it constant? Garry's Mod community isn't that big
I think you would be surprised at how large the Gmod community is. Looking at the peak players (at least in the past 24 hours) its the 10th most popular game on steam.
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[SSRP] Stricter On Hacking 6 years 8 months ago #668844

Use CaC
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[SSRP] Stricter On Hacking 6 years 8 months ago #668845

Lewsi wrote:
Use CaC
cake! is trash
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[SSRP] Stricter On Hacking 6 years 8 months ago #668849

Lewsi wrote:
Use CaC
The anti cheat is not the problem, there's plenty of cheats that bypass all the anti cheats, including CaC and the anti cheat zarp uses which I think is broken
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[SSRP] Stricter On Hacking 6 years 8 months ago #668857

Coming from a person who hacked on Zarp i 110% agree that hacking should be tighter. There are many people that have had 2,3,4+ chances with hacking which is stupid. ( You can all guess who im getting at)

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