TOPIC: [SSRP] Player Punishments Need Change

The following pertains to all SSRP servers:

The current system used to discipline players does not reduce future offenses or teach lessons.

When a player joins the server for the first time, they are required to accept the server's rules. It is then printed into the OOC that they have accepted those terms. We're all familiar with this, right?

From thereon, I propose a kick should be the minimal punishment with clear evidence that a server offense was committed.

You may think that this is too harsh; I guarantee this will reduce server-related offenses.

Examples of Clear Evidence

1. Witnessed by Moderator
2. Demo
3. Screenshot

I feel that the ZARP Staff doesn't understand that breaking the rules, even once, is not ok. The slap on the wrist system is not working.

There is no real mid-ground between both ends of the spectrum.
Either the punishments will be too harsh (like those issued prior to the implementation of the ethos) or they will be too relaxed and it will be much like a "slap on the wrist".

But the current system in place seems fine to me, yes while more persistent rule breakers get more chances break a rule this allows other players to "get away" with a rule break without having to worry about having to be kicked or even banned.
People should get a second chance, and the more persistent rule breakers who fuck up that chance get a harsher punishment.

As for reducing the number of rulebreaks, while this may be true this isn't because of the reason you're thinking of, instead it is because there will be a lower server population in general, a single RDM out of anger will result in them being kicked and this will most likely not make them come back.

While this may work on more serious RP servers (insert name here) on Zarp the meta is killing, raiding and mining and with the server population rule breaks while they may be annoying are pretty much inevitable.

I see no reason to kick someone for breaking a rule for the first time. That is extremely anti-players, and especially newer players will say "They kicked me? Well, fuck you then" and go to another server.

Jenga wrote:
If you mean to tell me that the current system is 'ok'. You're delusional.

Jenga wrote:
I don't know why you don't see this as a good thing.

Jenga wrote:
Rule breaking should not be looked at as a norm.

JohnnyMoe wrote: Many staff and regular players are people that have RDMed in the past. They may not have returned (and grown to become the likeable people that they are now) if they had been kicked.

Unfortunately, this is very unlikely to change, rule breaks are common place by both "normal" players and those that who join for the sole purpose to break rules; and the fact that the minority decide to do so shouldn't impact that for everyone else.
While rule breaks in general affect people, the actions of a minority shouldn't lead to one mistake being punished at the same level of those who break rules for that purpose; thats one of the reasons why an ethos exists.

You may not be happy that someone gets a warning but quite frankly, whoever they are they will get a second chance to an extent (excluding some offenses)

Yes, they should be harsher. No, they should not kick for every minor offense.

It's very simple, don't break any rules. If you are having an issue grasping this concept; you probably have a rule-breaking problem.

JohnnyMoe wrote:
I could say that for yourself, so you think that the warning for an "illegal dupe" you got didn't stop you from breaking that rule and that instead you should of been kicked or banned to "teach you a lesson"?
No-one is a model player.. simple as that, so i'll say this for the third time; people who break rules once shouldn't get the same punishment as those who break them on a daily basis.

Jenga wrote:
I would have no problem with this.

Jenga wrote:
"I have read and understood the rules" is essentially signing-off any reasonable doubt that you don't know how to follow the rules. If players started getting kicked, they would stop breaking rules. Or they'd find another server to go break rules.

The issue isn't that people don't know the rules, the majority of people who are warned know the rules pretty well and its just certain situations that lead up to them being warned; when I used to RP before applying before staff I'll openly admit that I broke rules, while not intentionally I still broke them and that almost got me warned on a few occasions.
An accidental CDM or RDM through crossfire should never warrant a kick or ban and not even a warning in most cases.

Sadly not everyone shares the same enthusiasm as you to be kicked or banned for a one-off.

Jenga wrote:
Yes, they break the rules intentionally and should be disciplined.

Jenga wrote:
I don't see how a single CDM or crossfire RDM aren't seen as a police issue instead? They should be arrested, there's no moderator involvement necessary.

Aside from the topic, please don't keep circling this conversation. If other people would like to place input; I would be glad to dispute.

It's not the punishment system it's the staff team, it's the same system on every ZARP server and it works fine for them, just doesn't work on SSRP because the staff team are currently going through a phase of being useless as hell and not doing their assigned job...

This will make us lose more players as it's very harsh and the players will be like: i'll just play on another server .

Maybe not on the first offense, but people should not be able to gather warns like if they were trading cards.