474 Denis wrote:
Mobile Task Force Gunner wrote:
If you're honestly voting no for this, Please kindly go back to the shithole community you came from. If you were actually here before the suits were introduced or when they were rare, You wouldnt even come close to voting no for this.
Are you backwards mate? Let me ask you this, if suits and special weapons were removed what would be left? In my opinion the main differentiators between ZARP and other bog standard DarkRP servers are the suits and special weapons. If you removed them you are left with a bland and boring server. Don't even get me started on "sUiTs rUiN aLl tHe sKiLl" cuz if you are playing Garry's Mod DarkRP to showcase/improve your shooting skill your are in the wrong place mate. Garry's Mod has fucking broken hitboxes and for a server to be able to run over 32 players well you need to reduce tickrate to 33. All you "oldschool" players keep riding the dick of the old server cuz you are blinded by nostalgia. When you logically weigh up the positives and negatives it's obvious that you shouldn't remove suits.
On the other hand since so many people have a problem with suits ruining gameplay for new users a basewars-style system could be implemented where users need a certain amount of printers so that if they had under the amount they would be making less money and if they had over the amount they would be eligible to raid for example.
Another way to fix it would simply be to buff the default normal and VIP printers and make it easier for normal users to make money and also you could increase the raid cooldown and so on.
There are so many smarter and more efficient ways of fixing these issues rather than just straight up removing suits or replacing them, a LOT of players on SSRP play it either just to get a suit or to play around with the suits they currently have and that is a fact.
(Note: When I say "Suits" in this comment, Im
Mostly reffering to the suits that were added after the jugg suit).
First of all, I never said that the special weapons should be removed. So I have no idea where you got that from but whatever.
In your second arguement you say that if special weapons and suits get removed the server will be boring as all hell. Let me ask you this, Is that why the server was so popular well before the suits were introduced? The only part I agree with you in this arguement is the special weapons part, The special weapons are what sets zarp unique from other servers. The same cannot be said for the suits. If you argue that zarp will become a boring server after the suits get removed, Then let me ask you again, Is that why the server was so popular before the suits were introduced in the first place? Before the whole gencorp update (The update that introduced the suit system) The server was doing just as good if not better. Obviously it was not perfect and there was some problems, Most notably the special weapons being too OP which is a issue that will arise once again when the suits are removed. But thats a different issue and a different story and argueably the suit system is a much bigger issue then the special weapons. If suits are gonna get removed, Then a good portion of the special weapons would have to be nerfed. But like I said, Its a step by step approach, Prioritize the main issue then move on to the other.
Now onto the skill arguement. The issue is more about the fact that improving at this game actually feels rewarding. You can agree with me on this or you may not agree with me on this, But for me personally zarp has a rewarding kill system in the sense that its really satisfying to pull off something impressive, Not for showing off like a egotistical retard, But rather for satisfaction for accomplishment. Now I know I sound like a massive retard for saying that especially considering that we are discussing skill on a garrys mod server, But truely thats how it is. Zarp has a unique taste to it, a unique system that makes it satisfying to pull off something impressive especially when you pull it off with the dreadful hitboxes, All the odds are against you yet you manage to pull off something insane. No other server has that and thats one the of things that make zarp unique.
The hitbox issue. For some reason people always blame garrys mod and garrys mod only for the poor hitboxes and tickrate function. There is no doubt that garrys mod has one of the worst hit detection systems compared to other source related games. However, You cant just say that and run your servers on low tickrate just because the game is like that. Ive seen servers with full 75 / 90 players running on 66 / 33 tickrate just as fine, So why is it that zarp cannot run a server on a higher tickrate then 16? especially considering that the average amount of players playing in the last few months was little under 50 players. The 128 slots are overkill especially for server 2 where there is less then 30 players on the server on a daily basis.
16 tickrate is literally a joke, a couple of months ago I decided to calculate how off your hitbox can be relative to your playermodel and I found out that your hitbox in its maximum state (a millisecond before your hitbox updates) can be off by as much as around 30/40 CM when you're sprinting and that was just raw sprinting, imagine how fucked up that could be with amphetamine.
Onto the nostalgic arguement. What experiences do suits provide other then pay 2 win or retarded bullshit?, I would argue the only positive part about the suits is the satisfaction of ripping one but thats pretty much it. Obviously its fun to play in these suits no shit but its cancerous if you're on the recieving end of it. Look at it this way, The server is running on 16 tickrate in garrys mod so you know the hitboxes are already shit, You're fighting someone mid raid with a PSG, You keep pumping shoots into them and they dont die. But the one time you get a hit registered on them, They equip a hyper and a M202 and blow you to hell. What kind of bullshit is that? is that the game you wanna be playing? Fuck no especially when you consider that the game was not like this and you remember enjoying it when it was like this and that. Obviously new players cant understand that because they werent here to enjoy it before it all went to shit. And it all can be restored too. The current situation is pretty much compareable to something like call of duty. People dont want the new exosuits or futuristic bullshit, They want the game to back to its roots as that was a more enjoyable experience rather then the present cancerous suit gameplay. Zarp was well popular and fun way before the bullshit suits were added, Anyone who has actually played Zarp in its old days will say the same shit.
This is the kind of system that is undoubtable bullshit but that has embedded itself long enough into this community to be seen as a normal thing now. And it shouldnt be seen as a normal thing as things were much smoother and better before it was introduced. Not to say things were perfect before they were introduced though, The situation was pretty bad but the addition of the suits just kicked it while its down.
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