TOPIC: @Spicy

Can you please explain to me how someone can provide proof of their game crashing? Not just that, why not wait until you've spoken to the admin to at the very least ask them whether or not they even checked. Because if the admin didn't check in console it very easily could have been a crash and the user wouldn't have to magically provide proof that is literally impossible to provide because their fucking game crashed.

But it is possible to capture your game crashing though??

Clarky wrote: Not really, atleast for me. If i have shadowplay enabled and my game crashes, there's no way to record it.

Clarky wrote: But why should we have to depend on the possibility that users are recording their game just in case it crashes? It's much better to just wait longer and speak to the staff member in question and ask if they checked or not. If they did check deny it because of lack of proof, if they didn't check accept it because the staff member couldn't have known it concerns LTAP.

That's how appeals are supposed to be handled anyways. Just because you can finish something in a shorter time doesn't mean you should.

Yeah and like Spider says, a lot of recording software doesn't differentiate between shutting down and recording. It stops recording regardless.

spodermon wrote: My shadowplay records my entire desktop, there's a setting but I think it's called privacy control or something

Raeker wrote:
Btw, last time i checked i could only punish for LTAP if they left during their punishment EG: he's jailed and he leaves in his jail time and reconnects.

spodermon wrote: If you leave during a sit it's always LTAP, if done on purpose at least. It's only once the punishment is given that it doesn't count.

I don't know who placed the punishment but if the staff member is not possible to be contacted and asked of he/she has chacked the logs before placing the ban, there isn't much Spicy could do without any proof.

SkeletonWarrior wrote: Just because you can handle an appeal after 24 hours without speaking to the staff member doesn't mean you should, especially if it negatively impacts the user. In this case speaking to the staff member would literally make a world of a difference, so why not wait longer for the staff member to come online, or hand the appeal over to someone who lives in a similar timezone to the staff member and will be able to deal with this?

Raeker wrote: Please re read my first line upto contacted

Tbf, in such case I’ll take the user’s word that he actually crashed and accept his appeal. There is not point denying an appeal for such a minor thing especially when it’s unclear.
Obviously spicy made his decision which isn’t what I’d do but still a possible outcome.

SkeletonWarrior wrote: I honestly don't know if I'm interpreting your comment correctly since it's so badly worded so I'll just have to make the best of it.

Every staff member is able to be contacted eventually. The appeal was only up for a little more than a day. Spicy denied it anyways, so there was no real rush to deal with it as there wouldn't be a difference for the user if it would or wouldn't be handled. He could have waited longer, trying to see if he could somehow contact ERROR and deal with it appropriately.

And as I have already stated, how is the user supposed to prove innocence here? Should we seriously all be recording our game in case it crashes? Because for me at least the likelihood of crashing is a lot higher if I'm actually recording.

Lol you guys are arguing for no reason, do a little bit of research and you can find hl2 crash logs in the Garry's Mod folder which contain the date and time of the crash and what caused the crash.

EDIT: They are also fairly difficult to forge without good coding knowledge

Clarky wrote: Unless you are using a desktop recorder like OBS no shadow play device can record the game crashing, however, you can usually check the logs and see how they disconnected (if they disconnected from steam or lost connection because internet cut out etc.

Nick0GR wrote: Nope logs aren't reliable in proving game crashes since game crashes just show as timeouts or disconnects, both of which can be forced by the user to avoid punishment.

Clarky wrote: thats why obs is a thing now

Nick0GR wrote: The fuck are you even talking about



This was recorded with shadowplay, not OBS or anything else I dont even use OBS because Id rather ALT F10 the moments I want to save.

You didn’t really need to make this big deal about it by making a big drama post and you could of asked a head admin to look over it again or just ask him to rethink his decision.

It's innocent until proven guilty not guilty until proven innocent lul. It's on the admin to check console to see if it was a disconnect or crash and if they straight banned them without checking then that's on them. Shit or do what I did when it happened just wait a couple minutes in case I was wrong and it was, in fact, a crash and they returned then continue speaking with them. Either that or in the instance of a jail which is one of the most common punishments, you can't force someone to stay on the server and wait the timer. If they want to leave they can as long as they do not return to the server until the duration of the jail would've been up. Either way, the punishment is still on their sheet and they served it by either staying and waiting or not playing on our server for the duration of the punishment.

OnionRings wrote: "Drama post"? I don't see any drama here, and if there is then feel free to show me. All I'm doing is adressing an issue. So no, I'm not making a big deal out of it and I'm unsure why you're acting like I'm doing something wrong here when all I'm doing is trying to help a user that I believe was mistreated - something I've been doing since I've joined the community, by the way.