TOPIC: what is the point in verbal warnings?

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so staff can be bias'd and not warn their gangmembers/fuckbuddy's?
any other reason?

It's because we want to give users another chance to improve on their behaviour, which is why we don't give harsh punishments. If anyone is being bias'd towards another then it would be best that you report it with given proof.

Orang3 wrote:
But that is what we call, not giving a punishment, rather than a "verbal"? Also what would be the point in having a warn system if people can just give verbal warns all the time?

I only gave verbal warnings to users who I knew were new, old players don't deserve the second chance.

EDIT: Unless the punishment would be for something completely minor.

I completely see where you're coming from with this, it can be easily used by people (corrupt staff) to let their friends off, however. A fair staff member wouldn't do this, I also think that if you give someone a verbal you should say it in admin chat or put it somewhere so you don't forget. Then this way you know and other staff can know if they have been verbally warned before.

Young Sinatra wrote:
We don't have to punish everyone for every small thing they do you know. We only punish them if they haven't learnt from it before. It depends what the staff member thinks of the users behaviour at the time. That's why we just give them a verbal warning. Verbal warnings are seen as giving them another chance to improve their behaviour. Hence why I said that in my reply to your question.

Narexa wrote:
But a verbal warn, isn't a warn. So why store it away? I think majority of the times verbal's are given because of bias'd staff members and I guarantee you people agree with me and have experienced it.

why not? are you asking for a warning?

Orang3 wrote:
That doesn't answer my question.

Young Sinatra wrote:
Normally as a staff member we are trained to give fair punishments such as verbals because it's seen as giving them another chance so that they can improve and then a bigger punishment if they carry on. I do understand where you are coming from though with the bias'd part of it.

Nafe wrote:

Orang3 wrote: i think you miss the point that verbal warnings are the same as no punishment at all

Not everything is deserving of a /warn. Maybe they're new, maybe they are unfamiliar with a rule or there is a new rule and they haven't played for a while. Maybe its a simple misunderstanding. Yes staff can abuse, anyone in a position of power can. But if they keep doing it eventually they will get caught because lead team members are constantly spectating f1's to make sure staff are doing their jobs correctly. It's not in place simply so that staff can abuse if they want. What you are saying is simply naive.

Young Sinatra wrote:
So basically there shouldn't be a verbal system because there are corrupt staff

That's the dumbest shit ive ever heard

Plankton wrote: No we're saying that there should not be a verbal system because it undermines the warning system.

itzryzo wrote:
It really don't verbal warnings are to remind and educate people on the rules

I usualy give " verbal warning " tough its more of a " don't do it again mkay? " to peoples for very light rulebreaks in the first place. Like some noob player that starts propflying in a district to climb up a roof or who accidentaly proppushes someone or walks into a building base without really knowing there was a building sign.

Orang3 wrote:
Spoder gives verbals to the friends he loves , but he jjust gives me straight warns.Verbals should honestly just fuck off out of our community.

Gloratic wrote:

Your a known rulebreaker.

If there is a new player when i was staff its a verbal, then i would tell them the rule they broke.

The point of verbal warnings is to give the best experience for people that have broken a minor rule which has had a minuscule affect on the server and its players. A verbal is also viable alternative if the player is new and made a mistake with a server specific rule such as fading doors in mines.

If staff members are giving verbal warnings to people who have a rapsheet full of punishments for the same minor rule it is quite clear they know about the rule as these minor rules rarely change and the staff member should be brought to the attention of those higher so it can be looked into.