TOPIC: Remove CDM rule

.uzi wrote:
I can frankly see this becoming an issue. If anything it can complicate things when it comes to RDM. I predict the newest player won't be completely up-to-date with the motion of the rules and will fail to /me before killing the vehicle driver.

Giving people the ability to do virtually anything they want to bystanders will not increase any forms of roleplay, it will only make it worse. It also doesn't make much sense for players to use /me upon taking damage, as it's only reasonable for them to retaliate.

That's why I believe our rule draft is optimal. The first section of the rule should act as a notifier to the players on the server - (this is pretty much what it means: "Don't be a nuisance to other players while driving your car") - and the second part simply specifies that, if you are intentionally trying to ruin another player's experience, only then will we take action.

As always, I'm open to being convinced, but at the moment I think this is the best way we can make the regulations surrounding Vehicles better.


^{[+] I'll draft a rule that conveys this better in a moment, seeing as our current draft doesn't quite portray the rule exactly as I would like.}

Rick Johnson wrote:
There is already things in place to prevent car mingling such as the way you can kos them via a /me the rule itself is virtually useless due to this and the changes within the vehicles on zarp making cdm impossible (in terms of cars killing users) I see your concerns about minging with vehicles but I aim to remove the rule because it is useless and causes confusion. Apart from the physical removal of the rule nothing else will change. People rarely use vehicles anyways.

A Good Pianist wrote:
A lot of players act dumb when confronted with a rule break that isn't explicitly stated. Hence why I want some additional clarification on Vehicle-related harassment. The rule I picture in my head won't impede on whatever actions you plan on doing, I'm sure of it. It's simply to save the staff members some sanity when confronting a stubborn player.

Also, some staff members enforce the rules almost right off the paper so enabling them to know the full extent of what players can do in vehicles will probably spare those people a fair bit of mistakes. Although this is applicable mostly to inexperienced staff members that are unfamiliar with interpreting the rules, I don't see why we wouldn't want them to perform better with the modification of this rule.

By all means, remove the rule. I'm sure we could manage without it. However, I believe we could save ourselves some time (and issues) if we choose to retain the rule and modify it to make things more effective & efficient when handling situations surrounding Vehicle-minging.

Rick Johnson wrote: Getting rid of a useless rule would save you more time in my opinion, what is the point in a player making a F1 to say "A player bumped me with their car" when they can just sort it with a /me, and if the player who was killed because of the /me claims it is invalid, they can create a report for RDM.

What I am trying to say is that the RDM rule can cover the whole /me situation, and also, what new players read the rules lol.

Micky wrote:
Did you actually even read my post or not? Players wouldn't make those types of F1s because they wouldn't be included in the rule as a rule break. I'm just speaking about players fucking around and bothering random players (perpetually without end, not just once), and how they will try so hard to convince our newer staff members why it's alright. Stuff like this gets abused all the time and it's an issue because inexperienced staff won't know what to do when it comes to the smartass minges.

Rick Johnson wrote: You'd think that a staff member regardless of how new they are to the team would have a good knowledge of the ethos and rules, as well as thinking for themselves. If a staff member ever needs help, they can easily contact another staff member who will be able to help in situations like this.

Also if players are continuously bothering others with their vehicle they can handle it themselves.
I really don't get the point that you're trying to make if I am honest, like I said before, player will easily be able to handle this situations themselves

Micky wrote:
Why are you bringing up what staff members should be lol, you do realize they need two weeks of activity as well as knowledge of the most basic rules & a clean rap sheet to get accepted right? Doesn't really require full knowledge of the rules

Also, virtually nobody reads the rules so why would a new player know to write "/me stop or die" before killing the person that damaged them with a car lol.

Btw bruh can we just conclude this discussion I literally got home from consequitive nights with The Boys™ like 4 hrs ago and I'm intoxicated, I really don't wanna spend the rest of my night talking about fucking cars. I don't even know if I agree with myself or if I'm just arguing against anything I see at this point. I almost replied to my own post debunking it which isn't a good thing innit.

Rick Johnson wrote: You were talking about inexperienced staff, so I am just saying that they should know the rules and ethos to avoid falsely and stupidly punishing a player.

Secondly, obviously no one reads the rules so what effect would having the cdm rule stand and/or remade if players do not read it, I mean barely anyone uses cars on the server anyways.

Finally, eat bread or just throw up pussy, who goes on a lads night out on a Thursday

Micky wrote:
yeah agree on first point

second point yeah poo poo pee pee

im not throwing up thats gay i dont wanna clean

Rick Johnson wrote: When I am intoxicated, I try to throw up either outside or in the toilet, I don't know where you're aiming, but I cause no messes to clean up

Micky wrote:
lol i usually end up making a mess so thats why im not tryna throw up

edit: not even bad aim i just timing lmao

Stop argue just remove

A Good Pianist wrote: It was a debate you slow boy

Micky wrote:
Remove yourself from my thread u argumentative black

Huperchild wrote:
But hitting them with a car isn't ARDM?

A Good Pianist wrote:
ACDM

Richard Hoffmann wrote:
Oi retard that's a made up name

Huperchild wrote:
Did u get warned? I didnt think so. It's called a deterrent. Or I'm simple terms telling someone a punishment that will occur to deter people from breaking the law in this case the rules of the server