I appreciate your concern for the ban, but I'm going to clear some things up, and for your information: you do
not determine who deals with your appeal.
Nameful wrote:
the only people who would've heard me saying "kill yourself" would be me and TiGz. Who would get hurt? Nobody.
Evidently someone was hurt, as I received a complaint about what was said. We're happy that you didn't deny saying it, but you obviously did make someone upset because the complaint didn't come from you or tigz.
I will not disseminate the player who reported you as they did so in confidence.
@EMPThat being said this whole thing could be resolved easily by TiGz posting if he took as a joke or not.
I'm sorry I have to disagree with you here EMP, you're definitely correct in this logic, but his ban wasn't completely regarding what was said. We came to the verdict on the basis of the fact that what he said was unprofessional and a user of the teamspeak who heard what you said was offended by the comment made.
@NamefulI lack evidence
Hold on, I'm pretty sure this is your appeal. Not a report on another player.
If you're trying to have us pity you by shifting the blame to someone else, perhaps you might have been in a better position to report the culprit rather than be the culprit if you had considered what you said before you did so.
I know that TiGz took it as a joke because he's grown enough to not to even care about it.
And that's an assumption. You're in a position of trust, you can't just go assuming things.
Now Bezzy was not the player who reported you, but let's take his quotation. You're assuming that Tigz may take it as a joke, but that's only half the story. People in your teamspeak channel may have faced issues pertaining to the matter of suicide and the like, and the fact that you're on a ZARP server posessing a ZARP staff badge only makes it worse.
@Apacheif Tigz would be offended by this (which i am pretty sure he is not) then he had to report it himself
As for you, it too comes down to professionalism. The fact that not only the target of the comment may be offended and that the comment its self is being made by a role model & representative of ZARP.
Despite that Tigz didn't report it, someone else felt the need to. Whether that be offense or disappointment at the standard of communication by this staff member.
Who would be offended if a random Internet person says that someone should kill himself? I think that would be no one because the one who says that does barely know you.
Who are you to judge? Take a look:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Megan_Meier
Other people have other states of mind to what you may consider 'the norm' so please don't jump to conclusions.
@ExroIt is NO OTHER PERSONS' concern.
I'll just copy paste my response to the similar comment:
The fact that not only the target of the comment may be offended and that the comment its self is being made by a role model & representative of ZARP.
Despite that Tigz didn't report it, someone else felt the need to. Whether that be offense or concern with regard to the standard of communication by this staff member.
Just the fact that the person who banned you didn't ask TigZ what he felt first just shows how trigger happy on the ban hammer they are (A hammer doesn't have a trigger but whatever.) I feel this whole appeal should rest on what TigZ feels about the situation.
We made an informed decision on the basis of the report. As far as I'm concerned, TigZ wasn't the player who reported it therefor it wasn't really his issue (he may have been targeted by said comment in the conversation, but it wasn't him that expressed offense/concern).
what was said in a seemingly private conversation (regardless of being in a public channel,) should stay in that conversation unless either recipient chooses to escalate matters.
It was evidently not a private conversation, considering the player who reported it was in the channel. Regardless, it is still a distasteful and disrespectful comment made on one of our servers, thus a violation of the TOU whatever channel the comment was made in:
No disruptive, offensive or abusive behavior: contributions must be constructive and polite, not mean-spirited or contributed with the intention of causing trouble.
The ban may seem harsh, but it's far less than what we'd expect from a staff member
(to be violating the TOU and behaving unprofessionally collectively).
@SmallvilleI would find 4-6 days pretty harsh, a one day ban should teach him, and if he does it again longer.
You're being too specific. Anyone can go and make up some numbers but it really doesn't contribute to the situation. As far as myself and Xhantium were concerned, Nameful's behavior was unacceptable for that of a staff member
(regardless of where), a supposed 'role model' to be making such distasteful comments. This elevates the punishment because we don't feel we should have to warn our staff considering they will have been selected in mind of having at least half an ounce of common sense & coherence.
To conclude:
Nameful's ban was a verdict reached, precursor being a user report. They may have been concerned, and/or offended by the behavior. Either way is still valid. Nameful was confronted, and confessed to the offense.
We're not here to discuss what goes on in ZARP today. The fact is that this was a staff member who is supposed to be coherent & respectful, and his actions were unacceptable - it's only fair to the person who reported him that substantial justice is reached because at the end of the day, they're the one(s) who had justified issue with what he said, and it's completely agreeable that regardless of context the comment was distasteful and heedless.
I've discussed the ban with Xhantium, and we've decided that the ban will remain. You will not be unbanned for the sake of meetings, and with regard to meetings attendance will be recorded as an informed absence (you will not be penalized).
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