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[TTT] Lui-G's Punishment Appeal 6 years 2 weeks ago #890857

Name - What is your in-game name?
Lui-G
STEAM-ID - What is your STEAM-ID?
STEAM_0:0:143637824
Staff Members Name - Who warned you?
howaboutthat11
Punishment Reason - What was the reason of the warning(s)?
ARDM
Server - Which server did this occur on?
24/7 TTT with the minecraft_b5 map
Story/Situation - What happened?
I was detective, he was sus. So we force him to go into the tester, we waited 20 seconds long, and then i fired 3 warning shots at him. RIght after i shot him he shot ME! and i was proven because i was DETECTIVE! So then the other inno's that were with me killed him. AND THEN HE WARNS ME TELLING ME I NEEDED TO WARN HIM IN CHAT, I MEAN, HE WAS OBV EVIL IF HE SHOT THE DETECTIVE (me)
Extra Information - Anything you would find relevant to your warning(s)?
He also said that i needed to wait longer, like we will wait longer than 20 seconds, U GO IN OR U DONT, everyone else went in without a problem BUT NO, he just had to wait.

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warn removeal 6 years 2 weeks ago #890858

...we waited 20 seconds long, and then i fired 3 warning shots at him..

As a detective, the correct procedure for force testing, is to usually give a suspect 2-3 warns in chat (e.g. Player X come test warn 1, ...warn 2) and if the suspect still hasn't responded or refuse to test after the 3 warns, you can then call a KOS on that player. "Warning shots" are traitorous acts as innocent and if done by detectives, can also be considered ARDM.

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warn removeal 6 years 2 weeks ago #890861

i warned him 4 times in voicechat with 5 second intervals, he heard me because he kept shaking no...	Lui_G Offline Fresh Boarder Posts: 24 Thanks received: 1 Karma: 0
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[TTT] Lui-G's Punishment Appeal 6 years 2 weeks ago #890862

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warn removeal 6 years 2 weeks ago #890865

Lui_G wrote: i warned him 4 times in voicechat with 5 second intervals, he heard me because he kept shaking no... If this is true and he still refused to test after the warns, you should have called a KOS and not fired "warning shots". If you had called one, you would have had a valid reason and it wouldn't have been ARDM/RDM.	Sopheric Offline Expert Boarder Posts: 1401 Thanks received: 534 Karma: 15
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[TTT] Lui-G's Punishment Appeal 6 years 2 weeks ago #890870

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You must warn him via chat at least twice before issuing a KOS, verbal warnings do NOT count, no matter if the other player can confirm they're hearing you. As far as things go, you shooting him is more than enough cause for him to kill you, no matter if you're a detective or not. Granted, he shouldn't be shooting at you especially if you're a detective and he's an innocent, but it's completely within his right to defend himself.

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[TTT] Lui-G's Punishment Appeal 6 years 2 weeks ago #890871

okay, thanks for your help.	Lui_G Offline Fresh Boarder Posts: 24 Thanks received: 1 Karma: 0
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warn removeal 6 years 2 weeks ago #890895

Lui_G wrote: i warned him 4 times in voicechat with 5 second intervals, he heard me because he kept shaking no... when you are giving a player warnings to do something(like fx if they are blocking you in) you have warn them in CHAT to move or kos... warnings in voice chat are invalid	howaboutthat11 Offline Junior Boarder I Hate Dead Memes Posts: 191 Thanks received: 19 Karma: 0
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warn removeal 6 years 2 weeks ago #890896

R a m e n wrote:

Lui_G wrote:

i warned him 4 times in voicechat with 5 second intervals, he heard me because he kept shaking no...

If this is true and he still refused to test after the warns, you should have called a KOS and not fired "warning shots". If you had called one, you would have had a valid reason and it wouldn't have been ARDM/RDM.

still has to give warnings in chat and not over voice chat <3

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warn removeal 6 years 2 weeks ago #890899

i hate it when ur right xd	Lui_G Offline Fresh Boarder Posts: 24 Thanks received: 1 Karma: 0
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warn removeal 6 years 2 weeks ago #890901

howaboutthat11 wrote:

R a m e n wrote:

Lui_G wrote:

i warned him 4 times in voicechat with 5 second intervals, he heard me because he kept shaking no...

If this is true and he still refused to test after the warns, you should have called a KOS and not fired "warning shots". If you had called one, you would have had a valid reason and it wouldn't have been ARDM/RDM.

still has to give warnings in chat and not over voice chat <3

Doesnt mean we should punish them. Our point in the server is to improve the experience of users and not to intervene and punish unless it is necessary and if both parties can confirm hearing it you should have imo only issued a verbal telling Lui_G to read rules and spesifically rule 2.2 (which Bezzy linked here)

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warn removeal 6 years 2 weeks ago #890902

howaboutthat11 wrote:

R a m e n wrote:

Lui_G wrote:

i warned him 4 times in voicechat with 5 second intervals, he heard me because he kept shaking no...

If this is true and he still refused to test after the warns, you should have called a KOS and not fired "warning shots". If you had called one, you would have had a valid reason and it wouldn't have been ARDM/RDM.

still has to give warnings in chat and not over voice chat <3

I know... never agreed with him about voice chat, check first post m8. I am referring to how he should have called a KOS before just firing.

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warn removeal 6 years 2 weeks ago #890905

R a m e n wrote:

howaboutthat11 wrote:

R a m e n wrote:

Lui_G wrote:

i warned him 4 times in voicechat with 5 second intervals, he heard me because he kept shaking no...

If this is true and he still refused to test after the warns, you should have called a KOS and not fired "warning shots". If you had called one, you would have had a valid reason and it wouldn't have been ARDM/RDM.

still has to give warnings in chat and not over voice chat <3

I know... never agreed with him about voice chat, check first post m8. I am referring to how he should have called a KOS before just firing.

Whether he calls KOS or not is besides the point. I will never call public KOSes I just find the player and murder them. I dont want them to get alerted

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warn removeal 6 years 2 weeks ago #890906

LonelyDodo wrote:

R a m e n wrote:

howaboutthat11 wrote:

R a m e n wrote:

Lui_G wrote:

i warned him 4 times in voicechat with 5 second intervals, he heard me because he kept shaking no...

If this is true and he still refused to test after the warns, you should have called a KOS and not fired "warning shots". If you had called one, you would have had a valid reason and it wouldn't have been ARDM/RDM.

still has to give warnings in chat and not over voice chat <3

I know... never agreed with him about voice chat, check first post m8. I am referring to how he should have called a KOS before just firing.

Whether he calls KOS or not is besides the point. I will never call public KOSes I just find the player and murder them. I dont want them to get alerted

The point is that he fired "warning shots", which is in clear breach of the traitor baiting rule.

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warn removeal 6 years 2 weeks ago #890908

R a m e n wrote:

howaboutthat11 wrote:

R a m e n wrote:

Lui_G wrote:

i warned him 4 times in voicechat with 5 second intervals, he heard me because he kept shaking no...

If this is true and he still refused to test after the warns, you should have called a KOS and not fired "warning shots". If you had called one, you would have had a valid reason and it wouldn't have been ARDM/RDM.

still has to give warnings in chat and not over voice chat <3

I know... never agreed with him about voice chat, check first post m8. I am referring to how he should have called a KOS before just firing.

sorry. misunderstod it

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warn removeal 6 years 2 weeks ago #890910

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I do not think anyone is arguing who was in the wrong here. I am engaging with the idea that maybe the punishment was a bit harsh for the situation

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warn removeal 6 years 2 weeks ago #890911

LonelyDodo wrote:

R a m e n wrote:

howaboutthat11 wrote:

R a m e n wrote:

Lui_G wrote:

i warned him 4 times in voicechat with 5 second intervals, he heard me because he kept shaking no...

If this is true and he still refused to test after the warns, you should have called a KOS and not fired "warning shots". If you had called one, you would have had a valid reason and it wouldn't have been ARDM/RDM.

still has to give warnings in chat and not over voice chat <3

I know... never agreed with him about voice chat, check first post m8. I am referring to how he should have called a KOS before just firing.

Whether he calls KOS or not is besides the point. I will never call public KOSes I just find the player and murder them. I dont want them to get alerted

That's completely understandable. Usually I would do the same but I often end up getting rdm'ed by players even as detective 'cause of it. The point is tho he shouldn't be firing "warning shots".

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[TTT] Lui-G's Punishment Appeal 6 years 2 weeks ago #890928

When issuing a waring it is required to do so in text chat a minimum of 2 times, This is due to some reasons, The main 2 reasons are that player may not understand or might not have volume on. Putting a warning in text chat is clear and understandable and also this means it cant be missed. As at first you did not understand this rules i believe a verbal warning should of been put in place although howaboutthat was well within his right to give you a punishment.

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[TTT] Lui-G's Punishment Appeal 6 years 2 weeks ago #890978

Drconor wrote:

When issuing a waring it is required to do so in text chat a minimum of 2 times, This is due to some reasons, The main 2 reasons are that player may not understand or might not have volume on. Putting a warning in text chat is clear and understandable and also this means it cant be missed. As at first you did not understand this rules i believe a verbal warning should of been put in place although howaboutthat was well within his right to give you a punishment.

Just to add to that. If you don't warn them in chat it can be counted as an invalid warning so even if you think he was shaking his head the warnings weren't valid in the first place.

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[TTT] Lui-G's Punishment Appeal 6 years 2 weeks ago #890992

YEET, What like some others said about the chat warnings and shit O: fuck i should've reported that one guy, Anyway Hi	Boxy Offline Diamond Boarder Poecilotheria metallica Posts: 2825 Thanks received: 1039 Karma: -5
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