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Rant about the new TTT update 8 years 7 months ago #171815

Hello fellow TTT Zarpians, as we have seen from previous saturday on, we have gotten a new TTT update which included a new chat system and 'random events'. At first I bet everyone would have been like: 'Wow, finally we get some new content! We might get some variation in TTT and I'm definatly curious as to what this new chat system is all about!' Now believe me or not, I too was excited for this but I couldn't come online just as the update got added because...reasons. Now that I fairly see that a few people are spouting 'REMOVE DIS REMOVE DAS!", I took it up to myself to try the new features out on the server and review it by my personal expierence with it on the server. However, to my disappointment, I will have to follow the 'train of hate and demand of removal' of this update. In this thread I will try to explain why this update was the most unnecessary thing ever done in the history of an old grandpa TTT player like me.

First things first, the core of what is so bad about this update: the random events. I hereby quote The Hitman Jerry's thread about what it all contains from here zarpgaming.com/index.php/forum/ttt/49108-new-ttt-update

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In a nutshell, we've got 6 random events (of which I know of) which can pop up once every map at a random time. These are:
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Now let me tell you, as a TTT admin and veteran of over 3 years playing the gamemode, I fail to see how these 'events' are any sort of related to the way of how TTT is normally played. TTT is played by a group of Traitors and Innocents to murder eachother out trying to kill as less of their own teammates as possible. How can this be anything related to any of the events which have been added? And did you, leadteam staff, even gave a second thought on how much unnecessary headaches and work we have to fulfill due to these events being played? Let's talk about the first three events for a bit. The DM, TDM and Shuffle ones.

The rules state that one must have a clear and valid reason with proof to kill someone otherwise this is counted as RDM. Our task from there on out is to slay and warn the player so that he does not do it again. So let me ask of you, the description of TDM and Shuffle says that it's basically D vs T, but the rules state Ds cannot kill the Ts without having valid proof. So what proof is there to start shooting a player who doesn't have a Detective tag on him? This will clearly make the Detective an RDMer and thus leading him to a punishment. Or what's even worse with the description of DM, everbody is a Traitor and has to murder eachother out. Do you honestly expect that we, as TTT staff no less have any sort of interest in this sort of bullshit? WE need to handle reports and handle punishments. It is a TTT server and so it should be respected by playing it as it is a TTT server. And therefore we need to act accordingly by the standards of a TTT server, which will lead to us having a lot of work and headache monitoring the server when these two events have come to play. Oh, and also, let's not forget the important thing here with DM. The probability that a person gets banned because of too low karma gets increased drastically and will turn off players from ever visiting again on this server.

Now next up, the remaining 3 events; Bigheads, Headshotwar and Stalker. First of all, let me ask you another question again. Why did we even need any of these 'events'? If anything I think that especially Bigheads and Headshotwar are the most useless events I have ever heard of. Bigheads basically only cause it harder to headshot a player because their heads are so fucked up huge now that you're completely clueless as to where you can hit a player to get a headshot on him. This is especially very annoying when trying to line up for a headshot with a rifle, which are pretty vital for stealth. And overall, it just ruins the game expierence for both me, and all the players currently in the server.

Headshotwar is just a mindfuck for everyone on the server. Suddenly a window pops up and it says 'Headshotwar! Here's a deagle! Make headshots! Make it a RDMing spree!' Now Jerry mentioned that you obviously can't RDM and still need valid proof to actually kill someone. But hold on! The server window pop-up said that we can just shoot anybody right now, right? So therefore you can't punish us for RDM, because the server itself said that we have to RDM! huehuehue.

No, stop. This is exactly why this is also a massive "to the garbage dump" event on this server which is currently in. I just have to think by myself if you, leadteam Staff, think that we want to go out of our way and putting out all our energy to force these players not to kill eachother for no reason atall. With this event we will have shittonnes of pointless arguements and whines of players so that they will not get a punishment.

And last and final, Stalker. So, guys. Let me tell you something, there's this gamemode called Trouble in Terrorist Town where you basically have to find out who the Traitors in your midst are and you have to try and kill them. They're basically humans which have guns and stuff or will try to blow you up with C4s or a fireable melon which somehow contains explosives. I know, pretty cool right? But guess what! We're in one of these Trouble in Terrorist Town servers and we're actually playing Stalker! A gamemode where a few people get chosen as some fucked up mutant who can jump insanely high and they have to use knives to kill us and no sort of this things like melons, or guns, or C4s. Nah, that's just taboo here.

Do you get where I'm leading on? Cool, because I hope that's enough for you to realize that this 'event' is a giant dump which for all I care about should be purged and sealed for all eternity.

The only thing I still might be quite pleased about is the chat system, but again I fail to see why we would want a new and revamped version of the old chat we had. I modified it so it looks atleast a bit more bearable to me, but the chat is still with errors and disliking details which the old chat didn't have. A little example is this:




Basically what you need to see in this screenshot is that it becomes utterly hard and annoying to use the admin chat from this point on. Anywhere, where ever a name of someone in this server has been said in teamchat with an @ in front of it, our entire message gets deleted and the chat just points out a 'tag' to this player. A little update on this can fix it, hopefully. But I digress. The emoticons on the new chat also are pointless and annoying from times to times. Especially when you want to write something and as you press enter, suddenly an emoticon in the middle of your sentence pops up because of a shortcut to one of these emoticons was there. Honestly, annoying. There also is a huge problem when it comes to copy-pasta'ing message which have been made in the chat. Sometimes the overline bugs out and you can't copy the entire sentence or STEAM_ID you want to copy-pasta in your menu or something. These problems were not apparant on the old chat, and is therefore a reason why we also want the old chat back: plain and simple without any problems.

So, if you had the lovely time of reading this wall of text then I must congratulate you with a simple signature of myself: /rant off. I honestly hope for myself, and the rest of the Staff team and users that this update gets discard and thrown in the bin immediatly on the next meeting this sunday. Unless you have something to defend your decision as to why you still want to have these features still in the server, then you'll have to convince me deeply why so.

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Rant about the new TTT update 8 years 7 months ago #171818

I agree 100%
No one asked for this stuff, we asked for other things, discussed them and accepted them. Weeks ago. That stuff hasn't been added and instead this crap does?
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Rant about the new TTT update 8 years 7 months ago #171821

so i played TTT the other day for only the 3rd time since my resignation and seriously events i thought would be cool but i enter the server to stalker and was murdered immediatly honestly i came on to play TTT not the fucking hidden honestly dont add things we dont ask for look i was think of returning properly at some point in august but no im considering dropping those plans because of this update
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Rant about the new TTT update 8 years 7 months ago #171841

THATS ME IN THE SECOND PHOTO B) :cheer: :evil: :derp:

Anyway i agree with you fully, although i enjoy the events, they are stupid, we don't need them,we don't want them and most of all the only decent one that really isn't that good IS A DIFFERENT FUCKING GAME MODE also the new chat/text box just irritates me, its to small, the images/profile pics are just to big compared to the text and idk, the update just enoys me i think it just brings out the inner ocd in me, anyway as you can tell i feel quite strongly about this, so i will end my mini rant here before i get to off topic and agressive :)
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Rant about the new TTT update 8 years 7 months ago #171846

You may have just hit lead team in the face with masses of text anyway I don't understand why we got it but I guess soon enough we will have all of our say in weather in stays or goes.

Oh yea and phantom I do like you bud just posting dat to see if it would still do it.
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Rant about the new TTT update 8 years 7 months ago #171847

No one actually gives an actual shit about it, just play the fucking server
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Rant about the new TTT update 8 years 7 months ago #171864

lol_Rekt I think you just got rekt with the banhammer m8 and please why not post a constructive comment on a constructive thread rather than make a useless post just to spark argument.
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Rant about the new TTT update 8 years 7 months ago #171897

If this update seriously got any worse, I would consider resigning.

Pls remove dis and das
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Rant about the new TTT update 8 years 7 months ago #171940

Phantom_2207 wrote:
I agree 100%
No one asked for this stuff, we asked for other things, discussed them and accepted them. Weeks ago. That stuff hasn't been added and instead this crap does?

"This crap" was not added by the owner of TTT, once Jerry gets access he will do further updates.
I must add though, you cry a massive lot. Some respect for the person who took money out of his own wallet to get "this crap" on the server.
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If this update seriously got any worse, I would consider resigning.

Pls remove dis and das

If you can't live with it, go ahead and resign.
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Rant about the new TTT update 8 years 7 months ago #171945

I am with Tom. Its in place. It may be different be we have to get used to it. Everything will feel normal again after a few weeks.
Phantom_2207 wrote:
I agree 100%
No one asked for this stuff, we asked for other things, discussed them and accepted them. Weeks ago. That stuff hasn't been added and instead this crap does?

Crap? Crap?! Someone put time and effort into making the update happen. I expected a better attitude from a staff member especially the way you acknowledge things as it seems your not acknowledging the fact that someone put effort into making this happen for you ungrateful lot. I personally have no strong feelings on the update and I am quite happy to get used to it and just play as normal.
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Rant about the new TTT update 8 years 7 months ago #171948

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Everything will feel normal again after a few weeks.

Everything already feels normal for me, I just changed a few things in the chat config and I only played 2 events (both were bighead) of the 11 maps I played yesterday.

I just don't want the ESC menu to pop up for 1-2 frames when you want to cancel a message, I find it disturbing.

EDIT: So you have to only to get headshots on the headshotswar event? How are you supposed to get headshots when you can't get any on a few playmodels? Or is there something that sets everybody's playermodel to default?
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Rant about the new TTT update 8 years 7 months ago #171975

Harridas wrote:
Wallcop wrote:
Everything will feel normal again after a few weeks.

Everything already feels normal for me, I just changed a few things in the chat config and I only played 2 events (both were bighead) of the 11 maps I played yesterday.

I just don't want the ESC menu to pop up for 1-2 frames when you want to cancel a message, I find it disturbing.

EDIT: So you have to only to get headshots on the headshotswar event? How are you supposed to get headshots when you can't get any on a few playmodels? Or is there something that sets everybody's playermodel to default?

Nope they still have the player models and they're messed up so you have no idea where the hitbox is.

No one asked for it yet it got added and that's what makes me angry, we asked for everything but this yet it still hasn't been added.
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Phantom_2207 wrote:
Harridas wrote:
Wallcop wrote:
Everything will feel normal again after a few weeks.

Everything already feels normal for me, I just changed a few things in the chat config and I only played 2 events (both were bighead) of the 11 maps I played yesterday.

I just don't want the ESC menu to pop up for 1-2 frames when you want to cancel a message, I find it disturbing.

EDIT: So you have to only to get headshots on the headshotswar event? How are you supposed to get headshots when you can't get any on a few playmodels? Or is there something that sets everybody's playermodel to default?

Nope they still have the player models and they're messed up so you have no idea where the hitbox is.

No one asked for it yet it got added and that's what makes me angry, we asked for everything but this yet it still hasn't been added.

If you can't pay attention to what others said about this then just keep your mouth shut. Nothing more to say. You know well enough that Jerry is unable to add/change the stuff what was agreed on and this update was not done by him. The way you are making yourself look right now...
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Rant about the new TTT update 8 years 7 months ago #171983

tomvtv wrote:
Phantom_2207 wrote:
Harridas wrote:
Wallcop wrote:
Everything will feel normal again after a few weeks.

Everything already feels normal for me, I just changed a few things in the chat config and I only played 2 events (both were bighead) of the 11 maps I played yesterday.

I just don't want the ESC menu to pop up for 1-2 frames when you want to cancel a message, I find it disturbing.

EDIT: So you have to only to get headshots on the headshotswar event? How are you supposed to get headshots when you can't get any on a few playmodels? Or is there something that sets everybody's playermodel to default?

Nope they still have the player models and they're messed up so you have no idea where the hitbox is.

No one asked for it yet it got added and that's what makes me angry, we asked for everything but this yet it still hasn't been added.

If you can't pay attention to what others said about this then just keep your mouth shut. Nothing more to say. You know well enough that Jerry is unable to add/change the stuff what was agreed on and this update was not done by him. The way you are making yourself look right now...

Well someone added the events...
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Rant about the new TTT update 8 years 7 months ago #171995

Phantom_2207 wrote:
tomvtv wrote:
Phantom_2207 wrote:
Harridas wrote:
Wallcop wrote:
Everything will feel normal again after a few weeks.

Everything already feels normal for me, I just changed a few things in the chat config and I only played 2 events (both were bighead) of the 11 maps I played yesterday.

I just don't want the ESC menu to pop up for 1-2 frames when you want to cancel a message, I find it disturbing.

EDIT: So you have to only to get headshots on the headshotswar event? How are you supposed to get headshots when you can't get any on a few playmodels? Or is there something that sets everybody's playermodel to default?

Nope they still have the player models and they're messed up so you have no idea where the hitbox is.

No one asked for it yet it got added and that's what makes me angry, we asked for everything but this yet it still hasn't been added.

If you can't pay attention to what others said about this then just keep your mouth shut. Nothing more to say. You know well enough that Jerry is unable to add/change the stuff what was agreed on and this update was not done by him. The way you are making yourself look right now...

Well someone added the events...

Yes someone did


But in this case its not right to pin the blame on Jerry if you actually don't really know. Could have been EMP, RedPowder or any other head admin.
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Rant about the new TTT update 8 years 7 months ago #172001

No matter how many times i've explained it no one listens, this is not my idea, nor do i have access to the server yet, so i cannot do much about it.

I do not see why you complain about the events, it's not like they happen every round, they rarely happen, almost once a map or once every two maps, or it's only activated by a superadmin+, and as for my word on the headshotwar, it is final, it is pure rdm and you should know it yourself, even if it says that you can just kill people randomly, since there are 3 teams on there (Innocents/Detectives/Traitors)

The deathmatch or team deathmatch is the only one that is really considered as an RDM fest, in team deathmatch i wouldn't really consider it as RDM since everyone is aware that there are only traitors and detectives same as shuffle.

If an event does happen once a map, it doesn't interfere with your game of TTT, it sometimes doesn't even do an event, only superadmins and above can start them, you still have 9 rounds of playing the gamemode on each map, and only one round which you can just NOT play, if the players are having fun with it that is all that matters, if you don't like it, you can always just Fspec yourself till the round ends.

There are some bugs which i'll be glad to fix once i get access, so please just wait patiently.

You should be grateful that he took some money from his wallet to get this addon for the server.

And last, you should've taken it to steam chat with me instead of having to post it on the forums, voting for it will be here soon, then you can just vote if you'd like it to stay or not instead of just complaining about it

Now this is locked, it isn't helping much
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