TOPIC: [TTT] Using Common Sense ~ Is it RDM?

Miia wrote:
There can be other commands used like teleport so you can teleport a player to where you are aiming, also you can goto the players if needed or noclip get to somewhere close and bring or if you really need to send someone to someone else. So bringing is not needed completely and chat logs will show up saying someone has being brought or whatever.

Innocent TTT is pretty much common sense like 90% of the time. Its valid, It would've been really frustrating if it wasent.

Kyber wrote: Staff shouldn't teleport users large distances and if they do their job correctly they can't.

If a user says in chat "I'm stuck in the portal" the staff member should teleport to the user or noclip to the portal to see it with their own two eyes. A user claiming to supposedly be stuck in the portal could be lying after all.

The only way a staff member could teleport a user from the nether into the overworld or vice versa would be if they used the !bring command without checking to see whether or not the user is even stuck in the first place, which basically means the staff member is not doing their job correctly.

I agree, but there are certain situations where this could be overruled, such as when a staff member has already no clipped to help players who are stuck and just flies back down to the nether (for fair play reasons of course), the player might not have accounted for this and may as well could be seen as RDM

Kyber wrote: Why the actual fuck would a staff member see that people are stuck and instead of solving that as quickly and effectively as possible fly down to a location they have no reason to be in?

Sigh, I'm trying to say they no clipped up to solve the problem, then just went back to their original location and were killed because of it

Kyber wrote: Then that means that the user originally saw them inside the Nether and would almost definitely not kill them because they never saw them come through the Nether portal.

What you're saying here is a very exceptional case for a very exceptional technique that will almost definitely never occur, considering the fact that this strategy resolves around carefully tracking who's exiting the Nether Portal. The fact that they would see the staff member using the !noclip command and seen them teleport people outside of the portal it would be very weird to then assume that the staff member would be on this user's target list for these next few minutes or so.

Solution add s2 map rotation again

Allowing this would cause too many borderline RDM cases where people would just KOS on skins. (aka Wookie entered T room so they kill next Wookie who runs out and claims that they were doing this etc.

LonelyDodo wrote: That argument legitimately makes no sense. You're comparing a situation where someone has carefully reviewed all possible information available to them to determine whether or not someone is a T to a situation where a user goes "Eh, close enough I guess" to then shoot another user in the face.

Not just that, the skin-situation is actually stated in the rules to be an invalid KOS, making your point even more redundant.

LonelyDodo wrote:
Even if it makes our job slightly harder as people can lie this should still be an acceptable kos reason as if done correctly the user can be 100% sure they are killing a traitor (or innocent who didn't announce a teleporter). We can't punish anyone for killing a traitor with completely valid proof.

What if the user hides in nether for a prolonged amount of time? They might get killed when they get out pretty sure thats why it has been accounted as RDM previously as the user could just be in a spot that they cant be seen

MythMe wrote:

After i got tired of dying to this dick move i setup a 'trap' with lonelydodo and what was planned was that 1 of us would hide in nether and see if MythMe would see dodo and you can probably guess what happened

Evidence:

Seargent44 wrote: Well u set him up, so its your fault lul.

Seargent44 wrote:
That does not change the fact that if followed correctly this method should be a valid kos, the issue here is that it was not as he did not check every corner or place possible

Smojea wrote:
well i set up doesn't mean that a random user can't do this as well

Miia wrote: Exactly. Theoretically speaking, this system works. That this guy is an idiot and doesn't even follow his own rules is his problem, but under other circumstances this would obviously be allowed.

Raeker wrote:
Agreed only issue is that I can find is that someone might enter nether just as you are leaving meaning that your paths never cross but chances of that are low

As for the 2 detectives, good job. Didn't expect lonely to be in this although seargent i noticed as he tried to go behind the portal on the first attempt. And dodo hiding behind the shack on 3rd attempt

However like Raeker said, it's the damn idiots own fault as i didn't expect 2 admins tryna hide in the nether. If you follow this correctly it will work and won't be rdm. I'm not a mod or anything but if i kill someone innocent and don't follow the steps correctly, it's my fault and you can me slay for it.